Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011

yllus

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This one is solely on Obama and his administration - it's cut and dried. The government specifically asked in 2011 for the ban on wholesale searches of American citizen data to be lifted.

The Washington Post - Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011

The Obama administration secretly won permission from a surveillance court in 2011 to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency’s use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans’ communications in its massive databases, according to interviews with government officials and recently declassified material.

In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years — and more under special circumstances, according to the documents, which include a recently released 2011 opinion by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates, then chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

What had not been previously acknowledged is that the court in 2008 imposed an explicit ban — at the government’s request — on those kinds of searches, that officials in 2011 got the court to lift the bar and that the search authority has been used.

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The court decision allowed the NSA “to query the vast majority” of its e-mail and phone call databases using the e-mail addresses and phone numbers of Americans and legal residents without a warrant, according to Bates’s opinion.

The queries must be “reasonably likely to yield foreign intelligence information.” And the results are subject to the NSA’s privacy rules.

The court in 2008 imposed a wholesale ban on such searches at the government’s request, said Alex Joel, civil liberties protection officer at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). The government included this restriction “to remain consistent with NSA policies and procedures that NSA applied to other authorized collection activities,” he said.

But in 2011, to more rapidly and effectively identify relevant foreign intelligence communications, “we did ask the court” to lift the ban, ODNI general counsel Robert S. Litt said in an interview. “We wanted to be able to do it,” he said, referring to the searching of Americans’ communications without a warrant.
 

michal1980

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Obama is far worse then Bush.

Mainly because Obama lied that he'd be different. With Bush it was easy to see stuff like this happening.
 

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FerrelGeek

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And this is exactly why I was against all the Patriot Act, et al, BS when it was put into place. I knew someone like Obama would come along and do exactly what he's doing.
 
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No one should be surprised by this.


We are but mere peasants, and should greatly appreciate all our Dear Leader does for us to give us a stable country and good life. We didn't build our businesses, our wealth, HE did that. He did that for US.

Sure he goes on muli million dollar exotic vacations, sure his his chief wife goes on ultra luxury vacations practically year round - all on the taxpayer dime with full security detail.



He is our Dear Leader, he does so much for us, that all of these misgivings should be forgiven.
 

PokerGuy

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And this is exactly why I was against all the Patriot Act, et al, BS when it was put into place. I knew someone like Obama would come along and do exactly what he's doing.

Agreed 100%, and it's not even just someone like the dear leader, it's basically anyone who sits in the office. You hand someone (or any administration or group) unlimited power without any checks and balances, and it's going to be abused, it's only a matter of how much, how often, and by whom.
 

Angry Irishman

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Agreed 100%, and it's not even just someone like the dear leader, it's basically anyone who sits in the office. You hand someone (or any administration or group) unlimited power without any checks and balances, and it's going to be abused, it's only a matter of how much, how often, and by whom.

As much as I am not a fan of Obama he didn't start the trend but he did choose to perpetuate and apparently increase the erosion of our rights. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, voted this BS into law. The difference now is the idol warship of a man who can do no wrong.
 

dank69

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As much as I am not a fan of Obama he didn't start the trend but he did choose to perpetuate and apparently increase the erosion of our rights. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, voted this BS into law. The difference now is the idol warship of a man who can do no wrong.
Yup. Hardly a day goes by where at least one thread glorifying Obama isn't started in here.
 
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As much as I am not a fan of Obama he didn't start the trend but he did choose to perpetuate and apparently increase the erosion of our rights. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, voted this BS into law. The difference now is the idol warship of a man who can do no wrong.



That's the crazy part to me.

There are lapdogs on both sides, but it seems like *generally* the rightists are capable backing up saying ok we screwed up, we don't support this, something needs changed.


Meanwhile the modern progressive leftists are much more willing to take what they perceive as "the bad with the good".

To them, they don't care about our privacy rights being eroded away as long as gun control is pushed and money is taken from people who make >$150k a year and spread down.

As long as our Dear Leader hands out free cellphones and props up the lazy they don't care what else happens.
 

Jaskalas

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And this is exactly why I was against all the Patriot Act, et al, BS when it was put into place. I knew someone like Obama would come along and do exactly what he's doing.

Bush / Obama are only the beginning. One day we'll have a Dear Leader.
 
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Bush / Obama are only the beginning. One day we'll have a Dear Leader.


I truly think obama is the beginning of the Dear Leader-era.


During his time in office our privacy rights have been eroded like never before. Our police are FAR more militarized than they have ever been, and it's quickly getting worse.


As bad as bush was for this country, his biggest issue was spending a lot of money on a war (which, btw, is money that GENERALLY stays inside the US even if it's with corrupt contractors).

Meanwhile Obama has done everything possible to steer us into a "world" economy. He couldn't care less about the US as a nation, he has these personal hopes and dreams about a utopian world which comes at our expense.


It's all a big game, to him. He's just another spoiled brat leader, the difference is he has undying blind support from progressive liberals.
 

FerrelGeek

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Bush / Obama are only the beginning. One day we'll have a Dear Leader.

i agree. I wasn't trying to put a D / R label on it, I was mainly referring to the 'type'. Obama is a power-hungry, egotistical stateist. He loves this sh*t.
 

FerrelGeek

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Yup. Hardly a day goes by where at least one thread glorifying Obama isn't started in here.

So, what do you think of the OP? Or will you just stay on your knees, head bobbing up and down, making your typical slurping noises when it comes to Obama?
 
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i agree. I wasn't trying to put a D / R label on it, I was mainly referring to the 'type'. Obama is a power-hungry, egotistical stateist. He loves this sh*t.



Yup, and that is the problem. The progressives need to realize that just because your master tosses you a bone after beating the shit out of you does NOT make him a good master.



The modern progressives are the enablers with this.
 

dank69

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So, what do you think of the OP? Or will you just stay on your knees, head bobbing up and down, making your typical slurping noises when it comes to Obama?
Wow. Slurping noises. How original. You caught me. I sure do love me some Obama cock.

You should spend some time trying to comprehend my post and what it actually says instead of authoring such complex insult material.

Oh, you want me to answer your question? I think you should sit down though first because your knees might give out when you realize I am not the Satan worshipper you have me pegged to be. Are you sitting? Good. I do not approve of the Obama Admin on this issue. Are you okay? Should we get you an ambulance? Do you think you will be able to move on from this incident or do you feel the need to dredge up some other unrelated and unfounded assumptions you have about me?

In the meantime, what do you think the remedy for this problem is? Do you think McCain/Romney would have been better for this country? Or are you the delusional Libertarian type that thinks there is any chance in hell of getting one of the Pauls elected, that he would be able to do anything if he got there, and more importantly, that their policies wouldn't actually be more disatrous if they could implement them anyway?
 

boomerang

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Poke, prod, dig, defend, slurp, idolize, demonize.

What are we going to do about it? Roll over and play dead? Hope we can hold out for three and a half more years and the next presi is going to make it all better? Ain't gonna happen.

What are we going to do to severely curtail the power of politicians?
 

FerrelGeek

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Wow. Slurping noises. How original. You caught me. I sure do love me some Obama cock.

You should spend some time trying to comprehend my post and what it actually says instead of authoring such complex insult material.

Oh, you want me to answer your question? I think you should sit down though first because your knees might give out when you realize I am not the Satan worshipper you have me pegged to be. Are you sitting? Good. I do not approve of the Obama Admin on this issue. Are you okay? Should we get you an ambulance? Do you think you will be able to move on from this incident or do you feel the need to dredge up some other unrelated and unfounded assumptions you have about me?

In the meantime, what do you think the remedy for this problem is? Do you think McCain/Romney would have been better for this country? Or are you the delusional Libertarian type that thinks there is any chance in hell of getting one of the Pauls elected, that he would be able to do anything if he got there, and more importantly, that their policies wouldn't actually be more disatrous if they could implement them anyway?


Bahahaha! Glad I got a response! I'm genuinely glad you disagree with Obama on this; that makes me glad, not weak in the knees. I poked you cuz your first post didn't address the OP. And if you read my other responses, you'd already have part the answer to your question back to me; and the quote below pretty much finishes that.

Poke, prod, dig, defend, slurp, idolize, demonize.

What are we going to do about it? Roll over and play dead? Hope we can hold out for three and a half more years and the next presi is going to make it all better? Ain't gonna happen.

What are we going to do to severely curtail the power of politicians?

So, my dear boy Dank, I'm genuinely dismayed at the situation we find ourselves in. We the people have LET our politicians take away our freedom with little more than a whimper. I have no faith in EITHER party in DC as they've set themselves up a nice little home there at our expense. They've rigged the game so that it'll be virtually impossible to have any other winners but them UNLESS the American people collectively wake the eff up and take their country back. But whenever anyone makes that kind of statement, the current power structure / media excoriates them and paints them as a threat. The majority of people in this country (already driven by apathy or dependence on the current system) either ignore the evil upstarts or run away bleating like scared lambs, fearful that their goodies will be taken away.

So yeah, in general I think we're screwed.
 
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I would think a lot of liberals would be absolutely livid about this. That goes to show you what I know.
 

BoberFett

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There are lapdogs on both sides, but it seems like *generally* the rightists are capable backing up saying ok we screwed up, we don't support this, something needs changed.

Meanwhile the modern progressive leftists are much more willing to take what they perceive as "the bad with the good".

I don't see it that way at all. The faithful on both sides believe themselves and their party leaders to be infallible saints and the the other side to be devils.
 

Kadarin

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Hope and Change? Yes We Can! So glad this administration decided to be the most transparent in history...