Obama admin. issues 5.5M work permits to non-citizens

[rudeguy]

They aren't free market creations. So don't expect free market to create more of them.

So you don't think illegals deserve the protection of unions?

 

[theeedude]

So you don't think illegals deserve the protection of unions?

It's not my decision or yours. If they decide to unionize, that's their decision.

 

[rudeguy]

It's not my decision or yours. If they decide to unionize, that's their decision.

if they do, should they be paid the same as non illegal union workers?

 

[unokitty]

Reading comprehension Republican Party style.

Calling me names doesn't change any of the facts...

And the fact is that under Obama the middle class has been steadily shrinking...

But if you like the Democratic Party's war on the middle class, you can keep the Democratic Party's war on the middle class.

Uno

 

[boomerang]

I'm sure if Republicans disagree with this course of action and feel the president broke the law and abused his executive privileges by allowing this to happen, they will lead by example, make a stand and hold the president accountable by attempting to impeach him, as opposed to just complaining about it.

They won't because the Alinsky tactics have been highly successful and they are afraid to be labeled as racists. And lord knows that impeaching Obama would not just start a war of words in the lamestream media, it could lead to something akin to a civil war across the nation.

No, we are stuck with Obama for his full term and the completion of his promise to fundamentally transform the nation.

What some people have figured out is that first and foremost, rich people are people that Obama depends on now and will depend on in the future and he's not going to anger them. Hell, he's rich himself, why would he want to alienate his brethren? Secondly, and I have said this before, the real money resides within the ranks of the middle class based upon their sheer numbers. There is a ton of these people and they are willing to keep on working and providing and paying their taxes. To accomplish his goal of fundamentally transforming the United States of America, he needs money and lots of it. He's not going to tap the rich, the poor don't have anything to take so the middle class is it. He's doing it and will continue to do so. In the process, the economic well being of the populace will continue to even out. Think trickle up poverty. This methodology is just a rehash of what has been tried before throughout the world a number of times. What's different this time is the ruling class. Instead of just the top dogs in government as the ruling class there will be a whole bunch more and of course Obama has positioned himself to be one of them.

It's an interesting time to be alive. To watch what was once the greatest nation on this earth transition to an ideology repeatedly proven to fail. The interesting part is not the transition itself, it's the way it's being accomplished. With huge numbers of the populace dumbed-down purposefully both without even knowing it but with the notion that they are the well educated. It's masterful really. It's been a hundred plus year journey. Talk about patience. This thread is about just one of the huge number of steps taken.

I'm glad to be in my twilight years. This won't end well, it never does. But I won't be here to experience the worst of it and it will be bad. When the highly armed populace of this nation reach their breaking point it will more than likely be like something you could never have ever imagined.

 

[Subyman]

Yep, jobs that uneducated illegals can do are not middle class jobs, regardless of the market. Is this a controversial statement?

You have a delusional view on what jobs illegals perform. Only 4% of illegal immigrants work in agricultural harvesting. The rest are waiters, construction workers, or work in factories. All of those are nicely paid jobs. In IL, general construction workers make $20+ per hour. Dry wallers make $27+. Trade jobs are absolutely middle class, they are the friggin back bone of the US.

 

[werepossum]

He told us he was going to fundamentally transform the United States of America. I didn't vote for him because I didn't want to see that happen. But enough people did and he's doing it. He didn't like the nation as it existed, he's attained the highest position available and along with it the power to make the changes to reform this nation into one that his father, his mentors, his educators, his friends and his faithful followers believe is preferable. Some analysts say that we will not be able to reverse course once he's finally out of office because the changes he and his band of misfits have made are too systemic in nature.

As a nation we've received that which we asked for. Two terms of it. It's far too late for buyers remorse.

This.

Calling me names doesn't change any of the facts...

And the fact is that under Obama the middle class has been steadily shrinking...

But if you like the Democratic Party's war on the middle class, you can keep the Democratic Party's war on the middle class.

Uno

lol +1

You have a delusional view on what jobs illegals perform. Only 4% of illegal immigrants work in agricultural harvesting. The rest are waiters, construction workers, or work in factories. All of those are nicely paid jobs. In IL, general construction workers make $20+ per hour. Dry wallers make $27+. Trade jobs are absolutely middle class, they are the friggin back bone of the US.

Well said.

 

[MongGrel]

*just a large face palm all over*

*wanders off to listen to music.....*

 

[nickqt]

*just a large face palm all over*

*wanders off to listen to music.....*

Yes, Obama has transformed Amurica into a country no one recognizes.

Because over-the-top rhetoric + insane delusions = Republican reality.

Don't y'all miss the Amurica of yore? Before sharia law was enacted in every town and village? Before the top marginal income tax rate was 115%?

Ah, the good ol' days.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

If an uneducated illegal can do your job, you don't deserve to be in the middle class.

You mean the ILLEGALS who SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE?

It amazes me how ideological political drones are all too willing to through US citizens under the bus.

 

[unokitty]

“For example, more than 470,000 work permits were issued to aliens on tourist visas and 532,000 were issued to foreign students. More than 156,000 were issued to dependents of students and guest workers, all in categories not authorized for employment by law,”

Democrats are claiming that the half million foreign students illegally granted work permits are 'uneducated."

Do they really think that the American Middle Class is that stupid?

Uno

 

[rudeguy]

Democrats are claiming that the half million foreign students illegally granted work permits are 'uneducated."

Do they really think that the American Middle Class is that stupid?

Uno

Well...is senseamp middle class?

 

[MongGrel]

Yes, Obama has transformed Amurica into a country no one recognizes.

Because over-the-top rhetoric + insane delusions = Republican reality.

Don't y'all miss the Amurica of yore? Before sharia law was enacted in every town and village? Before the top marginal income tax rate was 115%?

Ah, the good ol' days.

Who's the new guy, and why is he bothering to respond to that.

NM, I remember, my bad.

 

[Bock]

I'm sure if Republicans disagree with this course of action and feel the president broke the law and abused his executive privileges by allowing this to happen, they will lead by example, make a stand and hold the president accountable by attempting to impeach him, as opposed to just complaining about it.

Not gonna happen anytime time soon unless he tries to make them citizens. Go to any fabulously wealthy & republican area, ex. Park Cities in dallas, 95% of the blue collar workers are minorities hired on the cheap. Every single nanny, landscaper, & construction laborer is hispanic & almost always illegal.
This just gives the ruling class a way to control. Behave or we take your permit away.

 

[rudder]

The echo chamber continues to resonate it's loud inanity. Same shit, different ODS derangement Sunday.

Wednesday at the Detroit Economic Club, former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL) said to “create high, sustained economic growth,” we need to “dramatically expand immigrants that are coming to work.”

Gee... sounds just like his brother. Was George wrong when he did the same thing... Face it, corporations like cheap labor and they do the jobs that American content on cashing in a year's plus worth of unemployment benefits won't do. Pays as much in many cases as just staying home. Continue your CJ.

Jeb Bush is an idiot. We don't need and expanded number of illegal immigrants with no education, no skills, and who depress wages all across America in order for this country to have sustained economic growth. Now if by immigrants he meant legal ones who are supposed to show that they will not be a drain on public assistance and can make it on their own.... then sure his statement is correct.... even though he will never be a 2016 presidential candidate.

 

[werepossum]

The echo chamber continues to resonate it's loud inanity. Same shit, different ODS derangement Sunday.

Gee... sounds just like his brother. Was George wrong when he did the same thing... Face it, corporations like cheap labor and they do the jobs that American content on cashing in a year's plus worth of unemployment benefits won't do. Pays as much in many cases as just staying home. Continue your CJ.

Yep, not really much difference between the parties here.

Except of course that one party decided to simply ignore the law.

 

[theeedude]

if they do, should they be paid the same as non illegal union workers?

If their combined negotiating position leads the market to bear those wages, sure.

 

[theeedude]

You have a delusional view on what jobs illegals perform. Only 4% of illegal immigrants work in agricultural harvesting. The rest are waiters, construction workers, or work in factories. All of those are nicely paid jobs. In IL, general construction workers make $20+ per hour. Dry wallers make $27+. Trade jobs are absolutely middle class, they are the friggin back bone of the US.

Waiter is a middle class job now? I guess we have different definitions of middle class then.

 

[theeedude]

You mean the ILLEGALS who SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE?

It amazes me how ideological political drones are all too willing to through US citizens under the bus.

Palpable sense of entitlement based on nationality.

 

[theeedude]

Well...is senseamp middle class?

I am an engineer. I consider myself middle class. If your definition of middle class is a waiter, I guess I am a richer

 

[rudeguy]

If their combined negotiating position leads the market to bear those wages, sure.

So then an illegal could very well be middle class?

 

[rudeguy]

I am an engineer. I consider myself middle class. If your definition of middle class is a waiter, I guess I am a richer

I was trying to call you an idiot but I was too vague. Been watching too much British comedy lately where it's all implied.

 

[Matt1970]

If an uneducated illegal can do your job, you don't deserve to be in the middle class.

Says soo many Americans who's jobs are now done by "Bob" from AT&T Customer Service.

I am an engineer. I consider myself middle class. If your definition of middle class is a waiter, I guess I am a richer

And you don't think your job isn't at risk by some illegal who would do it cheaper? You are kidding yourself.

 

[theeedude]

Says soo many Americans who's jobs are now done by "Bob" from AT&T Customer Service.
And you don't think your job isn't at risk by some illegal who would do it cheaper? You are kidding yourself.

An illegal with graduate degrees in engineering and many years of experience?
I'll take my chances

 

[Subyman]

Waiter is a middle class job now? I guess we have different definitions of middle class then.

Ha, terrible response like I imagined you'd come up with. Pick one job and ignore the rest, you know all those trade jobs they perform, the heart of the middle class.