Obama a Marxist......what is going on in this interview?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I think the Obama crowd will react one of two different ways in 4yrs. Either they will be appalled by the vast economic changes he made (something like a dictator) or they will be apologists.

That will depend far more on patience than it will anything else. The bottom line is that no solution will bring the kind of change that the people want in 4 years. Hell, both McCain and Obama stated in the debates that they don't expect anyone to really enjoy the fruits of their labor for about 10 years.

You will not see apologists or appalled opinions from anyone who really understands how things work regardless of party affiliation and support.

 

[jdelrio22]

Why are people so scared of the S word?

It has been what has paid for our high ways and public systems.

A lot of people wouldn't be able to go to elementary school if it wasn't for the public school system which is not very capitalistic.

Or how about social security system? Not very capitalistic.

We did try capitalism at one point and it lead to child labor - not very good don't you think?

Seems to me the socialist fear is utter nonsesnse and down right stupid.

 

[jackace]

Originally posted by: jdelrio22
Why are people so scared of the S word?

It has been what has paid for our high ways and public systems.

A lot of people wouldn't be able to go to elementary school if it wasn't for the public school system which is not very capitalistic.

Or how about social security system? Not very capitalistic.

We did try capitalism at one point and it lead to child labor - not very good don't you think?

Seems to me the socialist fear is utter nonsesnse and down right stupid.

/agree

People don't seem to be understanding that our country and every other industrialized country in the world is full of socialized programs. Even an income tax is a socialist way of taxing because everyone has access to the same benefits, but everyone pays a different price for those benefits based on percentage of their income.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: jackace

Originally posted by: jdelrio22
Why are people so scared of the S word?

It has been what has paid for our high ways and public systems.

A lot of people wouldn't be able to go to elementary school if it wasn't for the public school system which is not very capitalistic.

Or how about social security system? Not very capitalistic.

We did try capitalism at one point and it lead to child labor - not very good don't you think?

Seems to me the socialist fear is utter nonsesnse and down right stupid.

/agree

People don't seem to be understanding that our country and every other industrialized country in the world is full of socialized programs. Even an income tax is a socialist way of taxing because everyone has access to the same benefits, but everyone pays a different price for those benefits based on percentage of their income.

Exactly. Tax policy is one method of redistributing wealth. Another way is to give $700 billion to banks. Another is to feed trillions to Defense Department boondoggles that support companies like Halliburton. Another is to TAX PROGRESSIVELY.

Obama is a centrist when it comes to tax policy. If he were advocating taxing those earning over $100,000 a year at the rate of 70%, then I'd be concerned and would suspect him of radical socialism. As it is, with all the loopholes for corporations (most pay ZERO TAX) and individuals, the tax code is not progressively balanced, in my view.

So, yes, the socialist fear is just mindless mongering by the political classes on the right wing.

-Robert

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: OrByte
OK I just listened to Hannity's rant about this particular issue.

TOO FUNNY!!

its soo complex and confusing, its not like its a 4 word quote or something...it damn near took 5 minutes to get through the entire quote over the radio. And by the end of it you still couldn't tell just exactly what Obama said!

yeah, this is the bottom of the barrel stuff we are going through now...too funny!!

thanks Hannity, I laughed all the way home from work.

Yep, it's stupidity to say that Obama is a Marxist b/c of this law interview. This redistribution term is with regards to law, but the GOP is trying to spin it into wealth when he didn't mean that at all. Stupidity.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think it's hilarious that the Dems got their panties all in a bunch about being labeled Socialists...but have no qualms whatsoever about labeling Reps in any derogatory way possible. This is rich.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I think it's hilarious that the Dems got their panties all in a bunch about being labeled Socialists...but have no qualms whatsoever about labeling Reps in any derogatory way possible. This is rich.

Can you give an example? I mean I know there are leftist crazies like Dave out there who will say stupid shit, but I mean an example that is used by the establishment of the Democratic party. (I'm not saying there isn't one)

The problem people have should be with factually false characterizations. The 'socialism' label is factually false. If people are characterizing Republicans with factually false labels then I'll be the first to do it.

 

[jackace]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I think it's hilarious that the Dems got their panties all in a bunch about being labeled Socialists...but have no qualms whatsoever about labeling Reps in any derogatory way possible. This is rich.

Republicans and Democrats both have ideas and platforms that are socialist in nature.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Dari
Did anybody even listen to all 54 minutes? Obama was taking a conservative pov regarding the civil right's actions. Instead of suing, he said it was better for governments to pass laws regarding redistributive rights.

Apparently people don't listen or read period. If Obama were hell bent on "ROW" he would of advocated the use of courts to gain such measures. Of course he did not and he was smart enough to understand that the American public should have a right to vote on the issues via the election of legislators and legislation. It's interesting though how some folks get all fussy at the mere of "ROW" but ignore it when the biggest welfare whores in this nation are the top 1% wealth holders. The biggest benefactors of any corporate welfare or bailout plan will always be those at the top who created our current and past messes in the first place. Or when the Bush administration put fourth a plan for government to buy up stock interests in banks. I guess "ROW" is only okay when it works in the opposite direction.

 

[Dari]

Sarah Palin flat out lied about what Obama said.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I think it's hilarious that the Dems got their panties all in a bunch about being labeled Socialists...but have no qualms whatsoever about labeling Reps in any derogatory way possible. This is rich.

I think it's hilarious that Alaska has more socialist elements than anything in the lower 48 yet Sarah Palin uses it as an attack point. But this is an interesting quote:

"A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist?Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine?that 'we?re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it?s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.' "

via Hendrik Hertzberg @ The New Yorker


Weird.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87


His tax plan for the middle class isnt just rolling back taxes for the wealthy. It gives refundable tax credits to households under 250K in income. Refundable means if I make 18K a year and effectively pay 0 in income tax I get a check for 500 bucks from the govt.

I keep hearing this... How can anyone make 18k per year and pay no taxes? When I was young and just starting out I made 10, 12, 15k per year the first 3 years and I paid a couple thousand in taxes, most of it federal.

Serious question: Who are these people that reportedly pay zero tax and where is the proof that they dont pay? I mean I hear it, but see nothing that proves its real.

Well just take a tax book out and do a 1040a on someone who made 40,000 last year, 3 kids and married. millions of families like that. Not only do they not pay federal income tax, they get money back, limited, to up to their social security contribution.

 

[badnewcastle]

To think, if Obama gets elected... he will likely have a filibuster proof government.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: badnewcastle
To think, if Obama gets elected... he will likely have a filibuster proof government.

Coburn would have to find something productive to do with his time.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: badnewcastle
To think, if Obama gets elected... he will likely have a filibuster proof government.

Coburn would have to find something productive to do with his time.

Yes, because fighting pork projects from both sides is such an un-productive thing to do.