O, Pakistan

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Braznor
Pakistan's greatest problem is not illiteracy. It's radical Islam.

radical islam might end if the people could read and understand for themselves.

widespread literacy set off one of the bloodiest periods of european history, though.

I don't think illiteracy is the fire behind radical Islam.

Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the Philippines all have 80+ literacy rates.

Shocking. :roll:

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Guys, Islamic Terrorism are pockets deep in the Pakistani government. Hell, they have madrasas within the city - some, even in the capital. Where do you think all these hundreds of millions of dollars come from to train these terrorists?

You put way too much faith in the Pakistani courts. They're just as corrupt as the government. Almost as bad as China's judicial system.

F**king idiots.

Do you even know what a madrassa is?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Guys, Islamic Terrorism are pockets deep in the Pakistani government. Hell, they have madrasas within the city - some, even in the capital. Where do you think all these hundreds of millions of dollars come from to train these terrorists?

You put way too much faith in the Pakistani courts. They're just as corrupt as the government. Almost as bad as China's judicial system.

F**king idiots.

Do you even know what a madrassa is?

Islamic schools.

I believe his point was that there are indeed radical madrassas within the city limits of Islamabad.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Guys, Islamic Terrorism are pockets deep in the Pakistani government. Hell, they have madrasas within the city - some, even in the capital. Where do you think all these hundreds of millions of dollars come from to train these terrorists?

You put way too much faith in the Pakistani courts. They're just as corrupt as the government. Almost as bad as China's judicial system.

F**king idiots.

Do you even know what a madrassa is?

Islamic schools.

I believe his point was that there are indeed radical madrassas within the city limits of Islamabad.

Madrassas are radical islamic schools. Islamic schools are radical. The schools are run solely by men, and the students are segregated from opposite sexes, in the event that women are actually attending - which is very very very rare.

I've visited dozens of "secular" madrassas in the UNITED STATES and I can say with confidence the text and teaching methods used in the classroom make our public school system look like heaven.

Kids are conditioned from day one to hate Israel, hate the Western world, and follow allah.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Islam, only Islamic society and all cultures associated. Seriously, the Islamic world is ridiculously f**ked up.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Madrassas are radical islamic schools. Islamic schools are radical. The schools are run solely by men, and the students are segregated from opposite sexes, in the event that women are actually attending - which is very very very rare.

I've visited dozens of "secular" madrassas in the UNITED STATES and I can say with confidence the text and teaching methods used in the classroom make our public school system look like heaven.

Kids are conditioned from day one to hate Israel, hate the Western world, and follow allah.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Islam, only Islamic society and all cultures associated. Seriously, the Islamic world is ridiculously f**ked up.

The literal definition of madrassah is "a place to study" or school. In effect all schools, universities and colleges are madrassahs. And just because they are different from your schools does not mean they're f***ed up. Just because someone has told you that segregation is bad doesn't make it so. I agree that some (or most) madrassah's don't have the best teaching methods available but that's mostly because of lack of funding and direction.

It's not only those that have visisted Madrassahs that hate Israel; but it's most of the population - the way they have treated the palestenians and oppressed them is indeed shocking. Nobody hated the western world except after their war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. It seems to me it's your kids that have been conditioned to hate Islam and Islamic culture. And you seemed to be so ingorant you don't seem to understand who Allah is.

You blindly hate our culture and yet claim to be enlightened.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Guys, Islamic Terrorism are pockets deep in the Pakistani government. Hell, they have madrasas within the city - some, even in the capital. Where do you think all these hundreds of millions of dollars come from to train these terrorists?

You put way too much faith in the Pakistani courts. They're just as corrupt as the government. Almost as bad as China's judicial system.

F**king idiots.

Do you even know what a madrassa is?

Islamic schools.

I believe his point was that there are indeed radical madrassas within the city limits of Islamabad.

I don't think there is anything wrong with radical (extremist: (used of opinions and actions) far beyond the norm; "extremist political views"; "radical opinions on education"; "an ultra conservative) views as long as they are non-violent. There probably are many radical christian schools throughout the USA.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Madrassas are radical islamic schools. Islamic schools are radical. The schools are run solely by men, and the students are segregated from opposite sexes, in the event that women are actually attending - which is very very very rare.

I've visited dozens of "secular" madrassas in the UNITED STATES and I can say with confidence the text and teaching methods used in the classroom make our public school system look like heaven.

Kids are conditioned from day one to hate Israel, hate the Western world, and follow allah.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Islam, only Islamic society and all cultures associated. Seriously, the Islamic world is ridiculously f**ked up.

The literal definition of madrassah is "a place to study" or school.

I'm not debating this.

In effect all schools, universities and colleges are madrassahs.

Wrong.

And just because they are different from your schools does not mean they're f***ed up.

I didn't say that.

Just because someone has told you that segregation is bad doesn't make it so.

Uh, yeah it does. Sexual harassment by the MALE teaching staff (always male, often elderly) is common place in the Islamic state-funded madrasah, and homosexuality is plentiful as a result of lack of females - adding to the already male dominating nature of these countries. This isn't some catholic all-boys school, fyi.

I agree that some (or most) madrassah's don't have the best teaching methods available but that's mostly because of lack of funding and direction.

Nope.

It's not only those that have visisted Madrassahs that hate Israel; but it's most of the population - the way they have treated the palestenians and oppressed them is indeed shocking.

Heh. You are aware the islamic countries control the refugee camps? The primary reason why there is so much angst is because the Islamic state infect the populous with propaganda in anti-Israel text in the school. When you so many opposing islamic sects in such a small area, a common goal is necessary to prevent a turn over against the financing states - hence, Israel.

Nobody hated the western world except after their war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq.

What?

Ah, you're one of those.

I'm not debating the source of the "western world" hate, even though you are clearly in the dark. Comprehension is key my friend.

It seems to me it's your kids that have been conditioned to hate Islam and Islamic culture.

I'm 16, and no I do not hate Islam. I do not hate Islamic culture either. Don't push you Amnesty International propaganda libel bulls**t on me.

And you seemed to be so ingorant you don't seem to understand who Allah is.

"Whoa."

-Neo.

You blindly hate our culture and yet claim to be enlightened.

lawlz.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If our enemies aren't being harbored there we have no need to deal with Pakistan.

I wonder how long it will be before they make you believe that the whole of Pakistan is your enemy.

That will happen once islamic radicals kill the current dictator and assume control of everything in the country..

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Braznor
Pakistan's greatest problem is not illiteracy. It's radical Islam.

radical islam might end if the people could read and understand for themselves.

widespread literacy set off one of the bloodiest periods of european history, though.

I don't think illiteracy is the fire behind radical Islam.

Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the Philippines all have 80+ literacy rates.

Shocking. :roll:

Yes and most of the people in those countries arent radical islamists.

 

[Noobtastic]

Yes and most of the people in those countries arent radical islamists.

Uh, yeah they are. Just because you don't strap a C4 best to your tits does not clear you from being radical.


If you consider the thriving Christian evangelicals to be fundamentalist, then naturally you would consider the majority Islamic evangelical-equivalent to be fundamentalist. You can't have it both ways, friend.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

The literal definition of madrassah is "a place to study" or school.

I'm not debating this.

In effect all schools, universities and colleges are madrassahs.

Wrong.

If you aren't debating A, how can I be wrong on B? Don't know simple logic?

Uh, yeah it does. Sexual harassment by the MALE teaching staff (always male, often elderly) is common place in the Islamic state-funded madrasah, and homosexuality is plentiful as a result of lack of females - adding to the already male dominating nature of these countries. This isn't some catholic all-boys school, fyi.

ROFLMAO!!! homosexuality as a lack of females in Islamic school!! Do people really go to school to get laid? ROFL!!!!!

I agree that some (or most) madrassah's don't have the best teaching methods available but that's mostly because of lack of funding and direction.

Nope.

Nope? What sort of an answer is that! Go where you belong - in the video cards section.

It's not only those that have visisted Madrassahs that hate Israel; but it's most of the population - the way they have treated the palestenians and oppressed them is indeed shocking.

Heh. You are aware the islamic countries control the refugee camps? The primary reason why there is so much angst is because the Islamic state infect the populous with propaganda in anti-Israel text in the school. When you so many opposing islamic sects in such a small area, a common goal is necessary to prevent a turn over against the financing states - hence, Israel.

I did not comprehend what you are trying to say.

Nobody hated the western world except after their war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq.

What?

Ah, you're one of those.

I'm not debating the source of the "western world" hate, even though you are clearly in the dark. Comprehension is key my friend.

Then you agree that this hatred is justified.

It seems to me it's your kids that have been conditioned to hate Islam and Islamic culture.

I'm 16, and no I do not hate Islam. I do not hate Islamic culture either. Don't push you Amnesty International propaganda libel bulls**t on me.

No wonder I was wondering why you sounded like a 13 year old kid with hormone problem. Infact that answers most of my Qs. No need debating with you before you learn some debating skills. Pay attention in class and don't waste your time on the PnN forums.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If our enemies aren't being harbored there we have no need to deal with Pakistan.

I wonder how long it will be before they make you believe that the whole of Pakistan is your enemy.

That will happen once islamic radicals kill the current dictator and assume control of everything in the country..

You underestimate the power of the Pakistani government. The likelyhood of that happening is as much as the likelyhood of a christian group toppling Washington's regime.

 

[Noobtastic]

If you aren't debating A, how can I be wrong on B? Don't know simple logic?

What?

ROFLMAO!!! homosexuality as a lack of females in Islamic school!! Do people really go to school to get laid? ROFL!!!!!

Uh, you clearly skipped the part about SEXUAL ABUSE. Selective hearing (or in this case, reading) is a common trait among zealots such as yourself.

Nope? What sort of an answer is that! Go where you belong - in the video cards section.

Nope is an appropriate answer.

I did not comprehend what you are trying to say.

That is because cause you're an idiot.

Then you agree that this hatred is justified.

No. Did you not read what I said? It makes the hatred UNJUSTIFIED.

No wonder I was wondering why you sounded like a 13 year old kid with hormone problem.

Is English your second language?

Infact that answers most of my Qs. No need debating with you before you learn some debating skills. Pay attention in class and don't waste your time on the PnN forums.

Okay.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Guys, Islamic Terrorism are pockets deep in the Pakistani government. Hell, they have madrasas within the city - some, even in the capital. Where do you think all these hundreds of millions of dollars come from to train these terrorists?

You put way too much faith in the Pakistani courts. They're just as corrupt as the government. Almost as bad as China's judicial system.

F**king idiots.

Do you even know what a madrassa is?

Islamic schools.

I believe his point was that there are indeed radical madrassas within the city limits of Islamabad.

I don't think there is anything wrong with radical (extremist: (used of opinions and actions) far beyond the norm; "extremist political views"; "radical opinions on education"; "an ultra conservative) views as long as they are non-violent. There probably are many radical christian schools throughout the USA.

Radicalism and extremism are only one breath away from violence. The major difference between western Christian radicals, and the Muslim radicals in your region, is that we have those in the West under control!

If Muslim nations were able to control the radical elements within their societies, the entire issue would solve itself! The problem is that many Islamic areas are entirely beyond control - so much so that their radicals and violent extremists pour out into the rest of the world one suicide bomber at a time!

The result is a forced Western involvement in the issue - one that you are personally witnessing with your next-door neighbor, Afghanistan.

If you successfully reigned in and controlled the Muslim radicals as effectively as the West controls the Christian fanatics, the West would no longer be required to try and do so for you. In other words, your culture brought this problem (Western military involvement) on themselves when they chose to ignore the cancer growing within!

Destroy that fanatical cancer yourselves, and the West could leave tomorrow!

 

[Noobtastic]

If Muslim nations were able to control the radical elements within their societies, the entire issue would solve itself!

Exactly. Too bad the Muslim nations themselves are RADICAL. Sharia law governs the courts, backward 9th century culture governs the women, and lack of progression governs the schools.

The problem is that many Islamic areas are entirely beyond control - so much so that their radicals and violent extremists pour out into the rest of the world one suicide bomber at a time!

The suicide bombers are the obvious ones. I fear the stealth Muslims, those who go to the west through academic ties and trades. Here in Orange County there was a huge raid in a very wealthy Muslim community, a bunch of documents were seized and I heard the "leader" of the clan was actually a visiting professor at UCI.

According to the Quran, lying in the name of Allah is permitted - since your supposedly serving Allah and not furthering yourself.

The result is a forced Western involvement in the issue - one that you are personally witnessing with your next-door neighbor, Afghanistan.

Exactly - and then the idiot Westernites pout and moan that none of these attacks would be going on if the Western World didn't "meddle", when in fact these battles have been going on since the beginning of Islam.

If you successfully reigned in and controlled the Muslim radicals as effectively as the West controls the Christian fanatics

The thing is, Christian fanatics cannot be compared to Muslim radicals. The Bible belt is nothing but millions of people jumping up and down for Jesus, and maybe running a few purpose driven churches. We consider having God and the Ten commandments as fundamentalist in the states. In Islam, if you don't have God in every spec of society - you get your head chopped off.

We have had 6 Abortion clinic bombings in the last 20 years. In Islamic world, thousands of people have been killed in attacks in the name of Allah (or which ever Muslim sect one belongs to) just in the past year.



I rather have a billion Christian fanatics than a community of Islamic radicals.