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?O Allah, perish America, Christians and all their allies! O Allah, destroy their homes, widow their women and make their children orphans! O Allah, destroy all the Jews and Christians!?

This is a typical prayer recited in Mosques, both in the Middle East and here locally in the West.
Are they trying to tell us something?

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The general response for Western ears is "Don't worry, they were not meaning YOU." It only applies to the American, Christian, Jew's that we don't like.
Can you remember how everyone freaked when Pat Robertson and his fluff boy Farwell said something only about 1% as goofy as this?
 
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Didn't you hear? Islam means peace!
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Islam is the religion of peace! Who cares if 3/4 of the believers support the killing of women and children!
 
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Yeah, kiling each other for a couple thousand years, and all their issues are the fault of a country that's a little over 225 years old.
 
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"Yeah, kiling each other for a couple thousand years, and all their issues are the fault of a country that's a little over 225 years old. "

and you know this how????? I am not taking sides but this is just a dumbass comment. All the other comments so far alteast have some backing
 
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<< Done flame baiting? >>


I'm sorry BlueApple, did you get lost when that mean Mod locked the Masturbate-A-Thon thread?
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Ya know, Allah must get pretty tired of these shmucks whining to him all the time.
 
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Billy Graham's son was dead on we he said that Islam is an evil religion. Truth is brutal, but what are you going to do?
 
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<< Done flame baiting? >>


I'm sorry BlueApple, did you get lost when that mean Mod locked the Masturbate-A-Thon thread?
Click Here, you will feel better. >>



LOL! Nice one Jimbo :D
 
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you folks do realize Allah translates into "God", right? allah huakbar (sp?) isn't "Allah is great" it's "God is great".........

it's all the same God ;)


..anyway.. way to generalize all muslims..
 
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All the major Middle Eastern religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) worship the same God. The difference is in the Messiah or the Prophets that they worship.
 
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I've never heard that one said in a Mosque in these parts. Not that it isn't said - in fact I'm sure it is.

Got a question for the Bible-readers that none of my friends offline have been able to answer yet. I've read the Koran extensively and the one thing I've gradually noticed is that no, it does not mention violent action taken against "enemies of Islam". In fact it says stuff like this:

And of them were (some) who believed therein and of them were (some) who disbelieved therein. Hell is sufficient for their burning.

There's more to that paragraph obviously but basically it's saying, leave disbelievers be; Hell is sufficient enough as punishment for disbelief of Islam. Now my question is, does the Bible ever talk about actual action to be taken or does it speak along the same lines as this, letting people be ultimately judged by God?

Think I might make a whole new thread out of this question, actually. Stay tuned.
 
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This is a typical prayer recited in Mosques, both in the Middle East and here locally in the West.

Naturally you know this having been to many mosques and knowing many Muslims.
 
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Here is the meat of it:



<< At times of peace, it is better to supplicate Allah to guide disbelievers. But at wartime, the reality dictates supplicating Allah to grant Muslims victory over warring disbelievers, just as they themselves would normally do, seeking victory in the war they launch on Muslims. This is the normal course of war. On supplicating Allah to turn their wives into widows and their children into orphans is no more than a supplication for their defeat. It involves supplicating Allah to humiliate the arrogant people and help us vanquish the oppressors. Such supplication should never be construed as seeking the demolition of non-Muslims entirely. Rather, it is directed against the oppressors among non-Muslims, it aims those who launch war against Muslims and against humanity. When people invoke Allah?s Wrath on any non-Muslim country, like the US or Israel, this is merely an outburst of anger filling their minds towards inhuman acts or schemes of oppressions orchestrated by both two countries against innocent people. So the curses are normally directed to the acts and their perpetrators, not to innocent people who have no hand in such crimes. >>


So, it seems to me that the person who wrote this believes:
1) The Palestineans are being opressed and abused by US / Israel (Christians & Jews)
2) The Muslims are or should be at war with these opressors.

In that case, this prayer wouldn't sound so odd.

However, from the prayer it seems like the murder of all Christians & Jews is being called for, even those that know nothing about the situation. The response seems to be denying this, that the anger is being directed to the leadership of US/Israel, and it is only in anger that such a statement is made. But it is not at all clear.
 
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Like all religions, Islam is based on vapor. The nature of vapor is that it can be twisted to suit any purpose, any ideal. Given the climate in the post-European colonized middle east, is this much of suprise. Remember, during the dark ages when Christian Europe was utterly barbaric, it was the Mulims in the middle east who were undergoing a renessance of civility.
 
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<< Got a question for the Bible-readers that none of my friends offline have been able to answer yet. I've read the Koran extensively and the one thing I've gradually noticed is that no, it does not mention violent action taken against "enemies of Islam". >>



Extensively huh?

But to answer your question, aside from one verse that talks about selling your cloak for a sword to defend your home, I know of nowhere in the New Testament or the Old that promotes violence among Christians or Jews against anyone.

Edit: Actually, the Old Testament does promote violence (stonings and such) but for punishment of actions, not beliefs.

BTW, my personal fav from the above link:

Sura 17:33 - You shall not kill any man whom Allah has forbidden you to kill, except for a just cause. (Repeated in Sura 25.67)
 
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A Christian Church website, how reliable of a source. If you read the entire verses that those quotes come from, you'll find that in most cases they are taken out of context, and you'd probably also find that a lot of those quotes are paraphrases.

Actually, the Old Testament does promote violence (stonings and such) but for punishment of actions, not beliefs.

Ditto for the Koran, all the violence it promotes is towards aggressors against Islam. But really, what the heck is the difference anyway. Violence is violence.
 
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I like to pray to more tangible things.

"O Lockheed Martin, Perish Iraq-Lebanon-Syria-and-Libya. O daisy cutter, destroy their homes, free their women from a life of servitude and allow their children to attend the college of their choice. O Tomahawk, destroy all the Muslims who think it's just fine to strap bombs to themselves and kill women and children when they least expect to be attacked."
 
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Oh gee, let's all pretend that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Islam, as practiced in the West, MIGHT be a peaceful religion.
But Islam, as practiced in the M.E, is NOT.
You know it, I know it, little blind and deaf johnny knows it.
But we'll smile and continue to say 'It isn't the religion, just a 'few' bad seeds'.

Sometimes a spade is just that, a spade.
 
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<< I like to pray to more tangible things.

"O Lockheed Martin, Perish Iraq-Lebanon-Syria-and-Libya. O daisy cutter, destroy their homes, free their women from a life of servitude and allow their children to attend the college of their choice. O Tomahawk, destroy all the Muslims who think it's just fine to strap bombs to themselves and kill women and children when they least expect to be attacked." >>




<<lights candles, inscents turns lights off, turns on lava lamp and chants above.
 
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<< Oh gee, let's all pretend that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Islam, as practiced in the West, MIGHT be a peaceful religion.
But Islam, as practiced in the M.E, is NOT.
You know it, I know it, little blind and deaf johnny knows it.
But we'll smile and continue to say 'It isn't the religion, just a 'few' bad seeds'.

Sometimes a spade is just that, a spade. >>


 
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