NYTimes article: Case Shows Limits of Sex Offender Alert Programs

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09...s.html?pagewanted=1&hp

Case Shows Limits of Sex Offender Alert Programs
By MONICA DAVEY
Published: September 1, 2009

In all 50 states, registries of sex offenders have grown sophisticated and accessible in recent years, a response to high-profile attacks on children. People can search their neighborhoods for former convicts on state-run Web sites, sign up for private services that alert them if an offender moves nearby, even download an iPhone application, ?Offender Locator.?

But the case of Phillip Garrido, the California man accused of kidnapping a young girl and holding her captive for 18 years, is reigniting a debate about the usefulness of the government-managed lists and whether they might create a false sense of public safety.

Mr. Garrido, who had been convicted of kidnapping and rape in the 1970s, was listed, as required, on California?s sex-offender registry (complete with a description of the surgical scar on his abdomen and his 196-pound weight) and had dutifully checked in with the local authorities each year for the past decade ? all while, officials say, his victim and the two children he is accused of fathering with her were living in his backyard.

Sex offender lists have made far more information readily available to the public and the police than before, but experts say little research is available to suggest that the registries have actually discouraged offenders from committing new crimes.

And some experts say that the lists may lead people to presume that anyone registered must also be elaborately monitored, when, in truth, monitoring ranges enormously from place to place and state to state. In some cases, it amounts to little more than an offender mailing a postcard with his address to a police department once a year.

?We?ve come to see these registries as a panacea that is going to resolve all sex offender problems,? said Richard Tewksbury, a professor of justice administration at the University of Louisville who has written extensively about the effects of registries. ?That?s just not realistic.?

In some jurisdictions, officials tend to focus much of their attention on the estimated 100,000 former offenders nationally who fail to register, give false addresses or disappear, and less on the hundreds of thousands, like Mr. Garrido, who comply. And while some authorities have extensive contact with their registered offenders (Illinois has special monitors who follow those deemed most dangerous for life, looking for even subtle signs of crimes), those in some other states spend little time with offenders once they have filed an address.

Federal efforts to create a single, consistent registration system have been slowed by states? concerns about mounting costs, legal challenges and other issues. Deadlines for states complying with a federal plan approved by Congress in 2006 have been delayed a year, until July 2010.

The sheer numbers of sex offenders on the registries in all 50 states ? an estimated 674,000 across the country ? are overwhelming to local police departments and, at times, to the public, who may not easily distinguish between those who must register because they have repeatedly raped children and those convicted of nonviolent or less serious crimes, like exposing themselves in public.

Keeping track, for instance, of the home addresses of the 80 offenders who live in Dubuque County, Iowa, keeps law enforcement officers there ?plenty busy most every day,? a sheriff?s official there says. In more populous places like the San Francisco Bay Area ? and other places that draw large numbers of offenders ? the challenges are far more significant: 1,700 registered sex offenders live in Contra Costa County, where Mr. Garrido lived, including 100 in his ZIP code alone; more than 65,000 are registered statewide.

?The thing that is hard to remember is that all people on a registry are not the same, and we need to distinguish between them,? said Patty Wetterling, whose son was kidnapped in Minnesota 20 years ago and who now works for a state sexual violence prevention program. ?At the end of the day, the registry is just one tool out of a bunch of tools, and it?s only as good as its users. I worry that people want simple solutions to a very complex problem.?

Certainly, no one is blaming registries for Mr. Garrido?s alleged crimes? escaping notice for so long, and many defended their broader usefulness. ?Look, nobody ever suggested that registering sex offenders is going to remove sex offenders from the planet,? said Ernie Allen, the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. ?But let?s at least make sure they?re not working in your elementary school or coaching the soccer team.?

If anything, Mr. Garrido was getting far more attention than the average offender listed on a state registry.

For years and until his arrest last week, he was on parole from the earlier kidnapping and rape in Nevada, and, California authorities said, met several times a month with a parole officer and wore a GPS device that tracked his whereabouts. Three years ago, he was visited by a sheriff?s deputy after a neighbor complained that he had a ?sexual addiction? and that children were living in his yard.

Although Mr. Garrido was listed on the state?s public registry, the deputy, the sheriff said, had not known he was a sex offender and did not search the house or yard, where primitive tents were housing his captives.

Mr. Garrido?s case has also renewed concern that policies regulating offenders may inadvertently be driving them to live in more remote, out-of-the-way places, where crimes can go unnoticed. Nine other registered sex offenders live within a mile of Mr. Garrido?s home on the outskirts of Antioch, in a dusty neighborhood on the outer reaches of the Bay Area.

New rules in many states have barred offenders from living near schools, parks and bus stops, and that has led some offenders, unable to find other alternatives that meet the rules, to live in rural areas, in their cars and, in at least one case in Florida, under a bridge.

But because he was released on parole for his earlier crimes decades ago, Mr. Garrido was exempt from a California law enacted in 2006 that bars offenders from living within 2,000 feet of places where children congregate. Still, at least one neighbor said the unincorporated area was ?loaded? with offenders, in part because no schools are around, meeting the current rules.

No Link Found to Killings

The authorities in Pittsburg, Calif., said Tuesday that they had found no concrete evidence linking Mr. Garrido and his wife, Nancy, the couple charged in the abduction of Jaycee Dugard, to a string of unsolved killings in the area.

A collection of law enforcement agencies had searched the Garridos? house and a neighbor?s backyard in Antioch, Calif., which neighbors Pittsburg, looking for clues in nine homicides, mostly of prostitutes, committed from 1998 to 2002. Several of the victims? bodies were dumped in industrial areas near places where Mr. Garrido, a printer, had sometimes worked.

But in a news release on Tuesday, the Pittsburg police seemed to be backing away from that theory, saying their search had come up empty, barring a ?few items that will require further forensic examination.?

On Monday, the Contra Costa County Sheriff?s Department said that a bone fragment had been found, but that it was not clear whether it was human.

While this case doesn't prove the ineffectiveness of sex offender registration laws, it does appear to demonstrate the limits of its effectiveness.

One thing that should, but probably won't be done is to reduce the number of crimes which get you put on the sex offender registry (ie "romeo and juliet" offenders convicted prior to the law), as the economist mentions here.
 

MotF Bane

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Exposing yourself in public shouldn't leave you stuck on that list for the rest of your life. Statutory rape for having sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend a year younger than you shouldn't be on the list - hell, it shouldn't be a crime of any sorts. The list is getting overpopulated, and things like public exposure, and even more so "statutory rape" with someone of close age, just clogs up the system with unnecessary people, and ruins lives for it.

Could someone expose themselves in public, and then stop doing anything in public, and instead privately rape a child and kill him/her? Sure. Is it worth having ruined the lives of so many other "sex offenders"? No. Could it have cost other children, because of the list being jammed full of mild offenders? Yes.

 

fskimospy

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I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.
 

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Exposing yourself in public shouldn't leave you stuck on that list for the rest of your life. Statutory rape for having sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend a year younger than you shouldn't be on the list - hell, it shouldn't be a crime of any sorts. The list is getting overpopulated, and things like public exposure, and even more so "statutory rape" with someone of close age, just clogs up the system with unnecessary people, and ruins lives for it.

Could someone expose themselves in public, and then stop doing anything in public, and instead privately rape a child and kill him/her? Sure. Is it worth having ruined the lives of so many other "sex offenders"? No. Could it have cost other children, because of the list being jammed full of mild offenders? Yes.

Ya, the term "Sex Offender" is definitely too broad. Certainly needs to be reworked and things need to be re-Classified(not made secret, just pigeon holed) so that any List contains only those who might be a risk to Society. No sense painting all sexual improprieties with the same brush when some were more exceptionally Vile and others nearing just being a nuisance or one time impropriety.

In that recent case they point out how many Sex Offenders there are in the area and the immediate thought is to equate them all with that bastard, but chances are good that none of those others did or would do anything near as sick as anything the bastard did.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

With this, I agree.
 

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i don't think the penalties for sexual crimes are nearly strong enough, particularly for crimes against children, I'd start there
 

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Half the culture is designed to create pervs. You can hardly do a unfiltered Google image search without getting pics of people urinating on each other or something vile. Obviously a nutter like Garrido needs to be dealt with but society needs to stop debasing people and churning out sex fiends and then wringing hand over it. Besides that - a kids friends often do more harm than most of the bogeymen. Mr and Mrs Jones are worried about little Jane getting jumped in a dark alley when she has a better chance of getting raped passing out at a party with her sketchy friends. Happens all the time.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Half the culture is designed to create pervs. You can hardly do a unfiltered Google image search without getting pics of people urinating on each other or something vile. Obviously a nutter like Garrido needs to be dealt with but society needs to stop debasing people and churning out sex fiends and then wringing hand over it. Besides that - a kids friends often do more harm than most of the bogeymen. Mr and Mrs Jones are worried about little Jane getting jumped in a dark alley when she has a better chance of getting raped passing out at a party with her sketchy friends. Happens all the time.

How do you suggest our society stop 'churning out sex fiends'?
 

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It's got to be a good day when i agree with eskimospy and sandorski. The sex offender label gets applied to too many people, from someone that steps behind a bush to take a leak to someone mooning a friend. There should be a divide between the violent sex offenders and just the stupid, but harmless ones.
 
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Originally posted by: MotF BaneCould someone expose themselves in public, and then stop doing anything in public, and instead privately rape a child and kill him/her? Sure. Is it worth having ruined the lives of so many other "sex offenders"? No. Could it have cost other children, because of the list being jammed full of mild offenders? Yes.

One of the big problems with the list is that when they put people who really aren't a thread on it--calling public urination a sex crime as well as an 18 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend, it drowns out the real sex offenders who are on the list and the list begins to lose its meaning. People want to know about child molesters and actual rapists, not guys who have urinated in public or women who were caught in public drunk and topless.
 

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I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

while I like your reasoning, unfortunately we do not have enough room in prisons if we were to significantly extend prison sentences. Sadly it's not rare/uncommon to hear about prison overcrowding. Heck, California has to REDUCE its prison population at a number of prisons....

not to mention that there's little that can be done legal-wise regarding extending prison sentences of existing inmates absent an immediate/imminent threat to society (I am not a lawyer though, but it is worth noting that it was was difficult enough for courts to allow mental institutions to keep its mentally ill institutionalized beyond their stay).
 

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Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

while I like your reasoning, unfortunately we do not have enough room in prisons if we were to significantly extend prison sentences. Sadly it's not rare/uncommon to hear about prison overcrowding. Heck, California has to REDUCE its prison population at a number of prisons....

not to mention that there's little that can be done legal-wise regarding extending prison sentences of existing inmates absent an immediate/imminent threat to society (I am not a lawyer though, but it is worth noting that it was was difficult enough for courts to allow mental institutions to keep its mentally ill institutionalized beyond their stay).

What I really think is that there is a small subset of sex offenders who are truly ill and need to be treated/removed from society for extended periods of time. The rest of them are regular idiots like anyone else who ends up in jail and I am totally comfortable with releasing them like normal people.

The sex offender registry is simply a modern day scarlet letter. It ensures those on it can never have a normal life again, ostracizes them from society, and for what? I think it's the sort of thing that is made and perpetuated because sex offenders are an easy group to pick on. Who wants to say they defended a bunch of rapists?
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Half the culture is designed to create pervs. You can hardly do a unfiltered Google image search without getting pics of people urinating on each other or something vile. Obviously a nutter like Garrido needs to be dealt with but society needs to stop debasing people and churning out sex fiends and then wringing hand over it. Besides that - a kids friends often do more harm than most of the bogeymen. Mr and Mrs Jones are worried about little Jane getting jumped in a dark alley when she has a better chance of getting raped passing out at a party with her sketchy friends. Happens all the time.

How do you suggest our society stop 'churning out sex fiends'?

Start emphasizing character again and stop turning young men and women into studs and whores who prey on each other. I go to malls and see fathers walking with daughters dressed like prostitutes. Then there are the celebs intentionally making porno films for attention. A strumpet gets praised and a girl trying to hold her virtue is ridiculed. Then there is the garbage on TV, films etc. - bimbos everywhere. It's like Michael Savage said about contemporary women being obsessive with pointy shoes and orgasms. We have a garbage culture they aims for lowest common denominator where sex is a fixation. Now kids are growing up on porn. It's no wonder we grow manics all over the place.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Half the culture is designed to create pervs. You can hardly do a unfiltered Google image search without getting pics of people urinating on each other or something vile. Obviously a nutter like Garrido needs to be dealt with but society needs to stop debasing people and churning out sex fiends and then wringing hand over it. Besides that - a kids friends often do more harm than most of the bogeymen. Mr and Mrs Jones are worried about little Jane getting jumped in a dark alley when she has a better chance of getting raped passing out at a party with her sketchy friends. Happens all the time.

How do you suggest our society stop 'churning out sex fiends'?

Start emphasizing character again and stop turning young men and women into studs and whores who prey on each other. I go to malls and see fathers walking with daughters dressed like prostitutes. Then there are the celebs intentionally making porno films for attention. A strumpet gets praised and a girl trying to hold her virtue is ridiculed. Then there is the garbage on TV, films etc. - bimbos everywhere. It's like Michael Savage said about contemporary women being obsessive with pointy shoes and orgasms. We have a garbage culture they aims for lowest common denominator where sex is a fixation. Now kids are growing up on porn. It's no wonder we grow manics all over the place.

Then how do you explain how over the last 20 years even as reporting has improved, the rate of rape per 100,000 has decreased by almost 25% from 41.1 per 100k to 31.7? Strange as we are churning out all these new sex fiends, fueled by the internet (that was not used by the general population in 1990), that our sex crime rates have dropped precipitously. So even as our culture becomes more sexualized, our sex crime rate drops... hrmm, maybe that means your hypothesis is shit.

Makes you think, huh? (okay, it probably doesn't make YOU think, but hopefully it makes someone with fewer crippling psychological disorders think)
 

BarrySotero

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Half the culture is designed to create pervs. You can hardly do a unfiltered Google image search without getting pics of people urinating on each other or something vile. Obviously a nutter like Garrido needs to be dealt with but society needs to stop debasing people and churning out sex fiends and then wringing hand over it. Besides that - a kids friends often do more harm than most of the bogeymen. Mr and Mrs Jones are worried about little Jane getting jumped in a dark alley when she has a better chance of getting raped passing out at a party with her sketchy friends. Happens all the time.

How do you suggest our society stop 'churning out sex fiends'?

Start emphasizing character again and stop turning young men and women into studs and whores who prey on each other. I go to malls and see fathers walking with daughters dressed like prostitutes. Then there are the celebs intentionally making porno films for attention. A strumpet gets praised and a girl trying to hold her virtue is ridiculed. Then there is the garbage on TV, films etc. - bimbos everywhere. It's like Michael Savage said about contemporary women being obsessive with pointy shoes and orgasms. We have a garbage culture they aims for lowest common denominator where sex is a fixation. Now kids are growing up on porn. It's no wonder we grow manics all over the place.

Then how do you explain how over the last 20 years even as reporting has improved, the rate of rape per 100,000 has decreased by almost 25% from 41.1 per 100k to 31.7? Strange as we are churning out all these new sex fiends, fueled by the internet (that was not used by the general population in 1990), that our sex crime rates have dropped precipitously. So even as our culture becomes more sexualized, our sex crime rate drops... hrmm, maybe that means your hypothesis is shit.

Makes you think, huh? (okay, it probably doesn't make YOU think, but hopefully it makes someone with fewer crippling psychological disorders think)



Rape isn't the only crime sex crime (Rape stats have other factors anyway like end of baby boom, better crime prevention). Child porn is up, sex abuse by younger people etc. I think girls getting abuse by "friends" who they don't tell on is sky high because I see it all the time in my travels.


"Courts have seen the number of sex offense cases involving juvenile offenders rise dramatically in recent years, an Associated Press review of national statistics found, and treatment professionals say the offenders are getting younger and the crimes more violent.

Some psychologists blame the increase in numbers ? 40 percent over two decades ? on a society saturated with sex and violence and the fact that many of the accused were themselves victims of adult sexual predators. Others say there aren't more children committing such crimes, simply more awareness, better reporting and a general hysteria about sex offenders.

?I don't think it's appropriate to suggest we have whole schools full of sexual predators ... but we're seeing more of it and more sexually aggressive acts,? said Scott Poland, past president of the National Association of School Psychologists. ?How do these kids even know about this? It's permeated throughout our society....


Sharon Araji, an Alaska psychologist who took one of the first broad looks at the problem in her book ?Sexually Aggressive Children,? thinks the number of child-on-child sex crimes is actually even higher than the statistics indicate.

Only 28 percent of all violent sexual assaults are reported to police, according to a 1999 National Crime Victimization Survey. And cases of incest between siblings are widely thought to be underreported and may drive the numbers even higher, Araji says.

?The whole society is not yet up on this problem,? Araji said. ?These kids, on the extreme end, if nothing is done to catch them, they're going to become our adult offenders of tomorrow.?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...onal/main2907551.shtml
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

I'd agree with you, but for one issue. When it comes to pedo's and rapists, I honestly don't think many of them could ever stop their behavior. However, you can't really prove that, and you can't keep someone locked up forever just because you believe they might re-offend later (preemptive jailing). In that scenario, it makes sense to release someone but keep really close tabs on them at all times. I don't know if a murderer is all that likely to kill again, but a serial rapist is certain to rape again, and pedo is certain to molest again.

Also, the sex offender list gives police a nice tool to see who was in the area when certain crimes occur so they can check them out first.

Definitely not a good system, but it has some merit.

Of course, the issue with the list itself (as mentioned by others) needs to be addressed. I'd like to see the list include only those who commit serious sex related offenses, those who are likely to be a danger to others. If you dilute the list with silly things like someone busted for being drunk and peeing in public, it becomes a waste of everyone's time. To me, the list should include everyone who falls in the "I think they are a danger to others, they should be in jail but I can't really prove it" category.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

while I like your reasoning, unfortunately we do not have enough room in prisons if we were to significantly extend prison sentences. Sadly it's not rare/uncommon to hear about prison overcrowding. Heck, California has to REDUCE its prison population at a number of prisons....

not to mention that there's little that can be done legal-wise regarding extending prison sentences of existing inmates absent an immediate/imminent threat to society (I am not a lawyer though, but it is worth noting that it was was difficult enough for courts to allow mental institutions to keep its mentally ill institutionalized beyond their stay).

What I really think is that there is a small subset of sex offenders who are truly ill and need to be treated/removed from society for extended periods of time. The rest of them are regular idiots like anyone else who ends up in jail and I am totally comfortable with releasing them like normal people.

The sex offender registry is simply a modern day scarlet letter. It ensures those on it can never have a normal life again, ostracizes them from society, and for what? I think it's the sort of thing that is made and perpetuated because sex offenders are an easy group to pick on. Who wants to say they defended a bunch of rapists?

Agree 100%. Sex offenses will absolutely ruin any chance of a normal life after incarceration/conviction. I agree with do the crime do the time, but with sex crimes its gone too far. Not only that, in our society today, you say sex offender and the FIRST thing people think is child molester. I understand the recidivism rate is high for sex offenses, but go after sentencing guidelines. Not this.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

I'd agree with you, but for one issue. When it comes to pedo's and rapists, I honestly don't think many of them could ever stop their behavior. However, you can't really prove that, and you can't keep someone locked up forever just because you believe they might re-offend later (preemptive jailing). In that scenario, it makes sense to release someone but keep really close tabs on them at all times. I don't know if a murderer is all that likely to kill again, but a serial rapist is certain to rape again, and pedo is certain to molest again.

Also, the sex offender list gives police a nice tool to see who was in the area when certain crimes occur so they can check them out first.

Definitely not a good system, but it has some merit.

Of course, the issue with the list itself (as mentioned by others) needs to be addressed. I'd like to see the list include only those who commit serious sex related offenses, those who are likely to be a danger to others. If you dilute the list with silly things like someone busted for being drunk and peeing in public, it becomes a waste of everyone's time. To me, the list should include everyone who falls in the "I think they are a danger to others, they should be in jail but I can't really prove it" category.

The problem is who defines that list? I agree a serial rapist (serial, not one offense) and child molesters pose a risk; however, a guy who is on the wrong end of a bitter ex who claims rape after the fact, or a guy who only downloaded underage porn poses no risk to the community. Yet they are both tatood and screwed for the rest of their life.
 

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Serial rapists and proven violent child molesters should simply be eliminated. Call it late-life abortion rather than the death penalty if you prefer.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Then how do you explain how over the last 20 years even as reporting has improved, the rate of rape per 100,000 has decreased by almost 25% from 41.1 per 100k to 31.7? Strange as we are churning out all these new sex fiends, fueled by the internet (that was not used by the general population in 1990), that our sex crime rates have dropped precipitously. So even as our culture becomes more sexualized, our sex crime rate drops... hrmm, maybe that means your hypothesis is shit.

Makes you think, huh? (okay, it probably doesn't make YOU think, but hopefully it makes someone with fewer crippling psychological disorders think)



Rape isn't the only crime sex crime (Rape stats have other factors anyway like end of baby boom, better crime prevention). Child porn is up, sex abuse by younger people etc. I think girls getting abuse by "friends" who they don't tell on is sky high because I see it all the time in my travels.


"Courts have seen the number of sex offense cases involving juvenile offenders rise dramatically in recent years, an Associated Press review of national statistics found, and treatment professionals say the offenders are getting younger and the crimes more violent.

Some psychologists blame the increase in numbers ? 40 percent over two decades ? on a society saturated with sex and violence and the fact that many of the accused were themselves victims of adult sexual predators. Others say there aren't more children committing such crimes, simply more awareness, better reporting and a general hysteria about sex offenders.

?I don't think it's appropriate to suggest we have whole schools full of sexual predators ... but we're seeing more of it and more sexually aggressive acts,? said Scott Poland, past president of the National Association of School Psychologists. ?How do these kids even know about this? It's permeated throughout our society....


Sharon Araji, an Alaska psychologist who took one of the first broad looks at the problem in her book ?Sexually Aggressive Children,? thinks the number of child-on-child sex crimes is actually even higher than the statistics indicate.

Only 28 percent of all violent sexual assaults are reported to police, according to a 1999 National Crime Victimization Survey. And cases of incest between siblings are widely thought to be underreported and may drive the numbers even higher, Araji says.

?The whole society is not yet up on this problem,? Araji said. ?These kids, on the extreme end, if nothing is done to catch them, they're going to become our adult offenders of tomorrow.?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...onal/main2907551.shtml

Oh Barry, I give you real numbers of the best reported sex crime that show a large decrease over a multi-decade time period, and you respond with a subset of a poorly reported crime in an article that admits there might not even be an increase at all, and to prove this increase that it can't prove, provides absolutely nothing outside of anecdotal evidence to support its hypothesis.

Nice job Barry, but you probably didn't even notice any of that because it told you what you wanted to hear.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

Agree 100%
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
I would eliminate the list entirely. If sex offenders are so dangerous that they must be tracked 24/7 in order to keep society safe, don't let them out of jail in the first place. I for one cannot fathom why a flasher must notify the neighborhood that he's moving in next door, but a murderer doesn't.

while I like your reasoning, unfortunately we do not have enough room in prisons if we were to significantly extend prison sentences. Sadly it's not rare/uncommon to hear about prison overcrowding. Heck, California has to REDUCE its prison population at a number of prisons....
That's handled easily by decriminalizing drugs.