NYT, WP accused of complicity in knowledge of secret drone base in Saudi Arabia

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Atreus21

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/06/us-newspapers-accused-complicity-drone

US news organisations are facing accusations of complicity after it emerged that they bowed to pressure from the Obama administration not to disclose the existence of a secret drone base in Saudi Arabia despite knowing about it for a year.

Amid renewed scrutiny over the Obama administration's secrecy over its targeted killing programme, media analysts and national security experts said the revelation that some newspapers had co-operated over the drone base had reopened the debate over the balance between freedom of information and national security.

On Tuesday, following Monday's disclosure by NBC of a leaked Justice Department white paper on the case for its controversial targeted killing programme, the Washington Post revealed it had previously refrained from publishing the base's location at the behest of the Obama administration over national security concerns.

The New York Times followed with its own story on the drone programme on Wednesday, and an op-ed explaining why it felt the time to publish was now.

One expert described the initial decision not to publish the base's location as "shameful and craven".

Dr Jack Lule, a professor of journalism and communication at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, said that the national security implications did not merit holding on to the story.

"The decision not to publish is a shameful one. The national security standard has to be very high, perhaps imminent danger," he said. "The fact that we are even having a conversation about whether it was a national security issue should have sent alarm bells off to the editors. I think the real reason was that the administration did not want to embarrass the Saudis – and for the US news media to be complicit in that is craven."


The Obama administration has resisted any effort to open up its targeted killing programme to public scrutiny. The White House legal advice on the assassinations program, including the killing of a US citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, has been withheld from the public and Congress, despite repeated requests to make it public.

The New York Times is attempting to obtain this memo though the courts, and Margaret Sullivan, the Times's public editor, used this argument in her piece on Wednesday, which said that the Times was right, at last, to publish details of the Saudi drone base.

However, Lule said that in not publishing the location of the base when it had the information, the newspaper had failed in its responsibility to the public.

Lule said: "We have two partners' participation in the secrecy of the drone programme: the government and the news media. If we are looking to open it up to scrutiny, where do we go?"

"It happened at the top ranks of the media, too. We look to digital media, but they do not have the contacts and the resources to look at this. They should have been leading the pack in calling for less secrecy. For them to give up that post is terrible."

Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, said the Washington Post had a long history of seeking input from government on stories which they felt may have security implications. She cited a column the Post's former editor Ben Bradlee, written in the 1990s about this issue, which generated a lot of criticism.

"The argument was: what is wrong with going to the government to find out the possible impact so that we can make an informed decision? That is the argument they have made in the past."

Kirtley said her own view as a lawyer would be: "The default position is to publish."

Part of the problem, she said, was that the term "national security" could be used as a cover for embarrassing revelations, or information the government does not want in the public domain.

"How to judge national security is the real conundrum. News organisations, as a rule, think about the consequences of their stories. The problem with dealing with national security is that it is so amorphous. Journalists are trained to be sceptical of these types of assertions. The repercussions are not always obvious, compared to, for instance, movement of ground troops in a war zone.

"The comments on the Washington Post story reflect that dichotomy."


Kirtley said that in such cases it is vital for a news organisation to explain to its readers why the decision was made.

"To public perception, it begins to appear that those decisions were made not for national security reasons but to provide cover for the administration. That is the tightrope that news organisations walk in these situations.

"The whole brouhaha has become so complex over what the implications are for John Brennan, and whether the Post has done this for political reasons. That is why it's is so important to explain to their readers why a decision was made."

While the publication of the white paper itself has brought renewed scrutiny to the Obama administration's insistence on secrecy, Stephen Vladeck, a professor of law at American University who specialises in national security issues, said there was an irony.

"We have a Freedom of Information Act. And, unlike Britain, we have no Official Secrets Act. But in the last decade we see less and less release of national security information.

"The aftermath of 9/11 has provided a very powerful counter-argument against freedom of information. My suspicion is that, out of western democracies, the US is at the far end of the secrecy spectrum"

Vladeck said that the US press, which has been responsible for some of the most important national security stories in recent years, including George W Bush's wire-tapping, the abuses at Abu Ghraib, and the existence of the CIA "black site" secret interrogation programme, had shown it could be complicit with the administrations secrecy and pushing against secrecy.

"Every institution in this story has a responsibility. Our courts have been increasingly deferential to the government in FOIA actions – for instance, in the OIC memo about Awlaki."

Vladeck said that the issue would generate debate but added: "Whether it will generate anything more than debate is up to Congress."

I can't help but ask if this would've been such a "national security issue" if it had come from Bush' administration.

But I suppose the real debate is what constitutes a legit national security threat, and how do you differentiate between that and political motives?
 

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We all know it's a point of fact that the media is in the tank for Obama, but it's still useful to have these articles pointing it out every so often.
 

momeNt

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Saudi Arabia is playing us like a fiddle.

They ask for assistance back in the 70s for security against Russia, we send troops there, it creates a frenzy among certain Muslims that infidels are in the holy land.

Turmoil ensues in the middle east for the next 30+ years, sending oil steadily upward on fears of instability, Saudi Arabia - the largest oil producer - doesn't give a shit, they have US troops there and all their oil is safe from harm.

We basically removed all our troops from there, but apparently they wanted to keep jihadists in a rabid frenzy by allowing the US to have a drone base there. Maintaining instability in the region but still keeping themselves shielded.
 

Genx87

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Gee this administration pressuring the press to keep its drone killing activities secret? I am shocked, utterly shocked! I am also dismayed the press actually kept their mouths shut. Isnt that part of what journalism and having a free press is all about? Letting the people know what their govt is doing?
 

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The base really wasn't that secret, I'm surprised other people are surprised. Doesn't take a genius to figure out where drone strikes on Yemen would be coming from given the operational limitations of drones and the need for substantial loiter time near a target area.

If the thinking at the Times was that widespread public knowledge would cause difficulties with SA that wasn't a good enough reason to withhold the story at the behest of the administration, a conclusion they seem to have belatedly reached themselves.
 

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You guys realize that this happens all the time, right? The NYT learned of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program before the 2004 election but sat on it for more then a year, in part out of a desire not to be viewed as trying to influence the election.

Imagine the epic right wing freak out if the NYT had published before the election, or the epic freak out if they had done that for Obama. Why is it that no matter how many times media bias stories are smacked down do people keep believing in them?
 

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You guys realize that this happens all the time, right? The NYT learned of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program before the 2004 election but sat on it for more then a year, in part out of a desire not to be viewed as trying to influence the election.

Imagine the epic right wing freak out if the NYT had published before the election, or the epic freak out if they had done that for Obama. Why is it that no matter how many times media bias stories are smacked down do people keep believing in them?

I don't think they sat on everything, however ignoring left vs. right the election is over and it wasn't until this was found out that "the time is right" became heard. There are times when journalists and news organizations withhold information, but there isn't a good excuse for this now.
 

jackstar7

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We all know it's a point of fact that the media is in the tank for Obama, but it's still useful to have these articles pointing it out every so often.

Lucky thing you heard about it... from the media!
 

Atreus21

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You guys realize that this happens all the time, right? The NYT learned of Bush's warrantless wiretapping program before the 2004 election but sat on it for more then a year, in part out of a desire not to be viewed as trying to influence the election.

Imagine the epic right wing freak out if the NYT had published before the election, or the epic freak out if they had done that for Obama. Why is it that no matter how many times media bias stories are smacked down do people keep believing in them?

I was reserving judgment. I didn't know whether or not this had happened before.
 

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I don't see any good reason the location of a secret base should be published.

But I suppose the real question ought to be is how the h3ll does the newspaper learn of its location?

What kind of crappy security etc do we have?

Fern
 

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The base really wasn't that secret, I'm surprised other people are surprised. Doesn't take a genius to figure out where drone strikes on Yemen would be coming from given the operational limitations of drones and the need for substantial loiter time near a target area.

If the thinking at the Times was that widespread public knowledge would cause difficulties with SA that wasn't a good enough reason to withhold the story at the behest of the administration, a conclusion they seem to have belatedly reached themselves.


This. I found it on google maps last week.
 

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I don't see any good reason the location of a secret base should be published.

But I suppose the real question ought to be is how the h3ll does the newspaper learn of its location?

What kind of crappy security etc do we have?

Fern

It's not hard to imagine that with the numbers of people involved in operations that the word would get out. What makes no sense is to have this so "secret" anyway. Certainly there are people in Saudi Arabia who would know about this who are sympathetic to our opposition. The governments involved would also know. The only ones in the dark who might matter are US citizens, but given the trend of those in power we're trusted least of all.
 

bononos

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We all know it's a point of fact that the media is in the tank for Obama, but it's still useful to have these articles pointing it out every so often.
I don't think they in the tank for Obama as much as condoning the hard and nasty policies that are at odds with the public perception of America.
 

sandorski

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The Drone Strikes are an ethical issue. The location of the Drone Base is not.
 
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