NYT: McCain/Palin Have Gone "Into The Dark Territory Of Race-Baiting And Xenophobia."

jpeyton

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Gutter politics at its finest, brought to you by McCain/Palin 2008 and the GOP. We all knew McCain couldn't run on his policies, since he flipped to align himself with Bush to earn the nomination. But you have to give him some credit...he tried to do that for the first 2/3rds of the campaign.

Unfortunately, after 8 years of Bush, the American people's appetite for GOP bullshit was fully sated. Now McCain is betting on the fact that our appetite for hate-mongering, race-baiting and xenophobic comments is still hungry.

FiveThirtyEight is reporting that Obama is at, or near, his polling ceiling for the campaign. He has nearly garnered every vote he can realistically expect to earn. And in some states like PA, his campaign dollars are now going towards keeping his double-digit lead and "scraping the bottom of the electorate barrel", so to speak.

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Politics of Attack

It is a sorry fact of American political life that campaigns get ugly, often in their final weeks. But Senator John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have been running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember.

They have gone far beyond the usual fare of quotes taken out of context and distortions of an opponent?s record ? into the dark territory of race-baiting and xenophobia. Senator Barack Obama has taken some cheap shots at Mr. McCain, but there is no comparison.

Despite the occasional slip (referring to Mr. Obama?s ?cronies? and calling him ?that one?), Mr. McCain tried to take a higher road in Tuesday night?s presidential debate. It was hard to keep track of the number of times he referred to his audience as ?my friends.? But apart from promising to buy up troubled mortgages as president, he offered no real answers for how he plans to solve the country?s deep economic crisis. He is unable or unwilling to admit that the Republican assault on regulation was to blame.

Ninety minutes of forced cordiality did not erase the dismal ugliness of his campaign in recent weeks, nor did it leave us with much hope that he would not just return to the same dismal ugliness on Wednesday.

Ms. Palin, in particular, revels in the attack. Her campaign rallies have become spectacles of anger and insult. ?This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America,? Ms. Palin has taken to saying.

That line follows passages in Ms. Palin?s new stump speech in which she twists Mr. Obama?s ill-advised but fleeting and long-past association with William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground and confessed bomber. By the time she?s done, she implies that Mr. Obama is right now a close friend of Mr. Ayers ? and sympathetic to the violent overthrow of the government. The Democrat, she says, ?sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he?s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.?

Her demagoguery has elicited some frightening, intolerable responses. A recent Washington Post report said at a rally in Florida this week a man yelled ?kill him!? as Ms. Palin delivered that line and others shouted epithets at an African-American member of a TV crew.

Mr. McCain?s aides haven?t even tried to hide their cynical tactics, saying they were ?going negative? in hopes of shifting attention away from the financial crisis ? and by implication Mr. McCain?s stumbling response.

We certainly expected better from Mr. McCain, who once showed withering contempt for win-at-any-cost politics. He was driven out of the 2000 Republican primaries by this sort of smear, orchestrated by some of the same people who are now running his campaign.

And the tactic of guilt by association is perplexing, since Mr. McCain has his own list of political associates he would rather forget. We were disappointed to see the Obama campaign air an ad (held for just this occasion) reminding voters of Mr. McCain?s involvement in the Keating Five savings-and-loan debacle, for which he was reprimanded by the Senate. That episode at least bears on Mr. McCain?s claims to be the morally pure candidate and his argument that he alone is capable of doing away with greed, fraud and abuse.

In a way, we should not be surprised that Mr. McCain has stooped so low, since the debate showed once again that he has little else to talk about. He long ago abandoned his signature issues of immigration reform and global warming; his talk of ?victory? in Iraq has little to offer a war-weary nation; and his Reagan-inspired ideology of starving government and shredding regulation lies in tatters on Wall Street.

But surely, Mr. McCain and his team can come up with a better answer to that problem than inciting more division, anger and hatred.
 

nageov3t

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404: race-baiting not found

I don't see "This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America" as fundamentally different than the attacks between every campaign ever.
 

SP33Demon

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The fact that she is associating him with a "terrorist" is despicable. It's not like Biden is saying McCain was best friends with a financial terrorist, even though it's true. Poor choice in words that make her campaign look like they're desparate fear mongers.
 

OrByte

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In no other time can I think of a VEEP candidate claiming that the opposition is paling around with terrorists..maybe someone can help me out here.

The GOP has no sense in what those kinds of words mean to people that are already teetering on a xenophobic edge.

The same thing goes for race relations, because you can be damn certain that black america isn't going to take those kinds of over the top comments lightly.

Palin and McCain are showing a complete disregard to decency and common sense, all in an attempt to win the election. If this was Obama I would be condemning him just the same. On the one hand you cant tear down an opponent they way McCain and Palin are attempting to do, and then on the other hand claim you are willing to work across the aisle and be bi-partisan. Thats bullshit pure and simple.

McCain doesnt put "country first."

is it going to get worse? I dunno. Honestly I think the landslide is becoming apparent, and that maybe MAYBE McCain's camp will throw in the towel and back off the incindiary tactics.
 

Butterbean

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This the New York Times doing bare arsed agitprop for The Dali Bama and there aren't too many people that dont see the Rainbow Times for the mess it is. Just because the myopia isn't cured here dont be fooled. The Times is Stalinist in tactics and just smear, ridicule and create perception shells to bully people. This is why their profits are down over 80%. Good people stopped buying the NY Times - being they exposed covert operations and all.


New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1


Palins statements are 100% true

"This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for for all of us."

Obama is a loser Marxist. No excuse for that after such stupid ideas already failed everywhere else. Turning USA socilaist in 2008 is ultimate fail boat and just a sign of how many loser we have a citizens : "heeeealth caaare..baaaaa..baaaa...heeeeallth caaare..baaa baaa..."

No sense have a bi-racial candidate if the Reds are going to scream "racist" everytime someone disagrees with them.
 

Vic

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The NYT doesn't need to do "agitprop" on this subject, Butterbean, when you've been a perfect example of what they're talking about all year.
LOL, the irony of you accusing the other side of using agitprop is just too much.

BTW, the newspaper industry as a whole is down. It's not just the NYT. Craigslist has all but killed off their classified revenues.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1
That's because print paper profits are down across the board.

Despite that, here are some interesting facts about The Times:

The domain nytimes.com attracted at least 146 million visitors annually by 2008 according to a Compete.com study. The Times website ranks 59th by number of unique visitors, with over 14 million unique visitors in August 2008.
It's also the largest metropolitan newspaper in the US, with over a million in daily circulation.

Where does NewsMax and WND rank Butterball?
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Genx87
We are really digging for something to inject race into this arent we?

I dunno, I think lots of people have demonstrated a great deal of xenophobia over the past eight years. Why is it surprising that it crops up in a presidential election?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Genx87
We are really digging for something to inject race into this arent we?

I dunno, I think lots of people have demonstrated a great deal of xenophobia over the past eight years. Why is it surprising that it crops up in a presidential election?

I dont see it in this article. That said ironically some of the biggest xenophobes on this msgboard fall on the left side of the spectrum.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Vic
The NYT doesn't need to do "agitprop" on this subject, Butterbean, when you've been a perfect example of what they're talking about all year.
LOL, the irony of you accusing the other side of using agitprop is just too much.

BTW, the newspaper industry as a whole is down. It's not just the NYT. Craigslist has all but killed off their classified revenues.

Lenin used to say "Accuse others of what you do". Obama and his preacher are the racists and flunkies but accusing others of what they are. The weirdos at the Times are the same
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
This the New York Times doing bare arsed agitprop for The Dali Bama and there aren't too many people that dont see the Rainbow Times for the mess it is. Just because the myopia isn't cured here dont be fooled. The Times is Stalinist in tactics and just smear, ridicule and create perception shells to bully people. This is why their profits are down over 80%. Good people stopped buying the NY Times - being they exposed covert operations and all.


New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1


Palins statements are 100% true

"This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for for all of us."

Obama is a loser Marxist. No excuse for that after such stupid ideas already failed everywhere else. Turning USA socilaist in 2008 is ultimate fail boat and just a sign of how many loser we have a citizens : "heeeealth caaare..baaaaa..baaaa...heeeeallth caaare..baaa baaa..."

No sense have a bi-racial candidate if the Reds are going to scream "racist" everytime someone disagrees with them.

That's quite a hefty load of bullshit you're shoveling there.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Butterbean
New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1
That's because print paper profits are down across the board.

Despite that, here are some interesting facts about The Times:

The domain nytimes.com attracted at least 146 million visitors annually by 2008 according to a Compete.com study. The Times website ranks 59th by number of unique visitors, with over 14 million unique visitors in August 2008.
It's also the largest metropolitan newspaper in the US, with over a million in daily circulation.

Where does NewsMax and WND rank Butterball?


jgheyton

The excuse is that the advertising sales are down but the Times fails for same reason MSNBC flunks and Air America flunks etc - they are weirdos who would rather dive their businesses and country own than contain their compulisons and betrayals.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Vic
The NYT doesn't need to do "agitprop" on this subject, Butterbean, when you've been a perfect example of what they're talking about all year.
LOL, the irony of you accusing the other side of using agitprop is just too much.

BTW, the newspaper industry as a whole is down. It's not just the NYT. Craigslist has all but killed off their classified revenues.

Lenin used to say "Accuse others of what you do". Obama and his preacher are the racists and flunkies but accusing others of what they are. The poof at the weirdos are the same

So that's why you take his advice, eh? You ever look at the semantic content of your own posts? All you do is spread agitprop (usually copy-and-pasted), with bizarre unfounded accusations and the occasional half-truth, all backed with highly charged words.
 

Thump553

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It is a major function of the VP candidate to be the attack dog, but I really wish Palin and McCain would show a bit more maturity and judgment on the campaign trail. I'm scared to death that when they goad their followers on that one of those nuts will take it as ratification and try an assignation attempt on Obama.

Allowing your audience to label the other Presidential candidate as a terrorist-without any correction from McCain-is wrong in so many ways.

Things get hot at this time in the political season, and people get desperate but they have to think of the greater good of the country first. Even guttertrash like Nixon behaved himself when giving speeches.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: Butterbean
This the New York Times doing bare arsed agitprop for The Dali Bama and there aren't too many people that dont see the Rainbow Times for the mess it is. Just because the myopia isn't cured here dont be fooled. The Times is Stalinist in tactics and just smear, ridicule and create perception shells to bully people. This is why their profits are down over 80%. Good people stopped buying the NY Times - being they exposed covert operations and all.


New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1


Palins statements are 100% true

"This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for for all of us."

Obama is a loser Marxist. No excuse for that after such stupid ideas already failed everywhere else. Turning USA socilaist in 2008 is ultimate fail boat and just a sign of how many loser we have a citizens : "heeeealth caaare..baaaaa..baaaa...heeeeallth caaare..baaa baaa..."

No sense have a bi-racial candidate if the Reds are going to scream "racist" everytime someone disagrees with them.

That's quite a hefty load of bullshit you're shoveling there.


Truth always looks dangerous and foreign to psychotics trying to avoid it.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Truth always looks dangerous and foreign to psychotics trying to avoid it.

Broke all the mirrors in your house, eh?
 

StageLeft

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Racism not found. Desperation and deceit, particularly from Palin is found. Listening to her talk is patronizing.
is it going to get worse? I dunno. Honestly I think the landslide is becoming apparent, and that maybe MAYBE McCain's camp will throw in the towel and back off the incindiary tactics.
With less than four weeks now they are almost out of room to maneuver at all. It's too late to play nice and get voters back to their side. The only thing they have, all they can count on and should throw their chips all on the hope, is that a major scandal will come out for Obama, whether it's him actually having been born in Kenya or a note he wrote to somebody saying he hates America and wants to destroy it from the top. The McCain campaign has nothing. They are totally cornered now. We know all that either party can say about the other.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Thump553


Allowing your audience to label the other Presidential candidate as a terrorist-without any correction from McCain-is wrong in so many ways.

Yeah all those endorsements from Hamas, North Korea, Daniel Ortega, Farrakhan etc don't help either - they should try to be quieter like all the other terrorists and dictators who are cheering for Obama but being kewl about it.

 

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You should be a talk show radio host Jpeyton. Your reaches are 2nd to none except for Randi Rhodes.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Thump553
Allowing your audience to label the other Presidential candidate as a terrorist-without any correction from McCain-is wrong in so many ways.
Yeah all those endorsements from Hamas, North Korea, Daniel Ortega, Farrakhan etc don't help either - they should try to be quieter like all the other terrorists and dictators who are cheering for Obama but being kewl about it.
And what about all the endorsements that McCain has gotten from terrorists, radicals, and dictators? You just give him a pass for his endorsement from the KKK?

IMO, it's the fact that you feel the need to bring this up that is ridiculous, much less your attempts to make it seem valid or the basis of some of your arguments. Sensible, intelligent people understand that candidates cannot control who endorses them.

BTW, I'm not agreeing with the OP. I don't see any racism, although I do agree that Palin is pandering pretty low.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: Butterbean
This the New York Times doing bare arsed agitprop for The Dali Bama and there aren't too many people that dont see the Rainbow Times for the mess it is. Just because the myopia isn't cured here dont be fooled. The Times is Stalinist in tactics and just smear, ridicule and create perception shells to bully people. This is why their profits are down over 80%. Good people stopped buying the NY Times - being they exposed covert operations and all.


New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...23IUFO0&show_article=1


Palins statements are 100% true

"This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for for all of us."

Obama is a loser Marxist. No excuse for that after such stupid ideas already failed everywhere else. Turning USA socilaist in 2008 is ultimate fail boat and just a sign of how many loser we have a citizens : "heeeealth caaare..baaaaa..baaaa...heeeeallth caaare..baaa baaa..."

No sense have a bi-racial candidate if the Reds are going to scream "racist" everytime someone disagrees with them.

That's quite a hefty load of bullshit you're shoveling there.


Truth always looks dangerous and foreign to psychotics trying to avoid it.

Yup, it's EVERYONE ELSE that is crazy and you are the normal one.
 

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There will be a point at which the McCain camp decides to not pursue the extreme personal attacks on Obama simply because they can't risk harming the GOP's efforts in the Senate and House races. If it starts to look like an Obama landslide in the coming weeks I expect to see the GOP distance itself from McCain or ask him to tone done his incendiary remarks about Obama's character.

 

Arkaign

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Butterbean is unintentional self-pwnage and comedy gold wherever he goes :)

I like how he already got his homoerotic fix by calling jpeyton : jgheyton. Nice :p