NYT Documents Voting Shifts In 2008

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: syzygy
Would this be polling the same public that had Bush at 70%-80% following the Iraq invasion ?

Obama-mania is pathological with this one . . . baaaa.

shhh...dont spoil it.

the less jpeyton knows, the harder he'll fall when the time comes.

i await for the future.

jpeyton won't fall because he's not a politician. As much as you guys think you are involved, you're really not. Debating on the internet has changed zero opinions on voting, and unless your an actual high level party member or campaign member then you have not won or lost anything.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Mani
The only people claiming this country is "center-right" are republican. They of course never have any evidence to back this claim up. We just elected a very liberal president by almost-landslide margins. I'd say it's a mandate for the left and shows that the right wing is just about irrelevant in its current form.

But one of the biggest blue states, California, voted to ban gay marriage.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Mani
The only people claiming this country is "center-right" are republican. They of course never have any evidence to back this claim up. We just elected a very liberal president by almost-landslide margins. I'd say it's a mandate for the left and shows that the right wing is just about irrelevant in its current form.

But one of the biggest blue states, California, voted to ban gay marriage.

That's why it's called center-left, not Keith-Olbermann-San-Fran-gay-pride-Left.

Besides, that ban will be overturned in court.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
"Middle America" voted Obama in. They will eventually vote another republican in.

There are several reasons Obama won. None of them are a "shift to the left".

As the guy who drives my work shuttle said the other day...when the country does poorly economically and everyone feels like they are broke, we get a democrat, when things get better and everyone has money then we have a republican...

Honestly I don't see Obama turning this one around any time soon, and if anything his tax plans will just put the pinch on more people...so either people will keep voting dem so long as they are broke, or as you said eventually people will just naturually want change and then vote for a republican...

My hope is that Obama pulls our worthless governor out of my state and puts him in a nice cushy cabinet position....

It was the one time I voted democratic and turned out to be a mistake as even here he couldn't get his party behind him for some casino gambling...instead he supported a crook and bought some expensive drapes for his office and not much more

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Topic Title: NYT Documents Voting Shifts In 2008
Topic Summary: Evidence Of The Country Shifting Center-Left

The protests currently in Los Angeles seem to go against your theory. As well as Arizona & Florida.

Bottom line, you are an idiot that one day will come back to the realization that Obama is not the Messiah.

It's not the people who have abandoned Republican principles. It's the Republicans officers & candidates who themselves have abandoned Republican principles.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Topic Title: NYT Documents Voting Shifts In 2008
Topic Summary: Evidence Of The Country Shifting Center-Left

The protests currently in Los Angeles seem to go against your theory. As well as Arizona & Florida.

Bottom line, you are an idiot that one day will come back to the realization that Obama is not the Messiah.

It's not the people who have abandoned Republican principles. It's the Republicans officers & candidates who themselves have abandoned Republican principles.

The shift to the left in public policies it took for McCain to even have a chance to win seem to go against your theory.

Bottom line, you are an idiot that will one day realize the ideological shift this country has begun to take.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yea, this country is so left, that the "left" party can't even get gay marriage in one of the most liberal states.

Remember how Sarah Palin said that she supports equal rights for gays? If that isn't a shift to the left I don't know what is.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Mani
The only people claiming this country is "center-right" are republican. They of course never have any evidence to back this claim up. We just elected a very liberal president by almost-landslide margins. I'd say it's a mandate for the left and shows that the right wing is just about irrelevant in its current form.

But one of the biggest blue states, California, voted to ban gay marriage.

You can't take a data point of one, and a questionable one at that, and draw any kind of conclusion. 20 years ago, gay marriage probably wouldn't have even been a pipe dream for california. You could argue that we've moved so heavily to the left that it requires a special ballot to be banned, and by slim margins at that. Meanwhile, Michigan approved medical marijuana, Virginia voted a democrat in its senate by landslide margins, and voted for a democrat for the first time since 1964.

Oh and by the way, we just voted in a black guy for president by the name of Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

I guess Tab either forgot about this thread, or realized he was wrong but didnt want to admit it.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

I guess Tab either forgot about this thread, or realized he was wrong but didnt want to admit it.

Well, if an highly-edited youtube video is going to convince you that Barack Obama is lier despite all of his advisors saying that his plan has always been a 6-month withdrawal plan, his spokesmen saying the same thing, his official plan saying the same thing, his vice president saying the same thing and himself saying the same thing...

Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

I guess Tab either forgot about this thread, or realized he was wrong but didnt want to admit it.

Well, if an highly-edited youtube video is going to convince you that Barack Obama is lier despite all of his advisors saying that his plan has always been a 6-month withdrawal plan, his spokesmen saying the same thing, his official plan saying the same thing, his vice president saying the same thing and himself saying the same thing...

Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

I see. So what you are saying is that you would rather believe his plan has "always" been a 6-month plan because thats what his advisors say, when in fact we have video proof of Obama saying he would withdaw all troops by March 2009.

If you are trying to suggest this video is somehow out of context, I would love to see you prove that one. You see, Obama said VERY clearly in that debate when exactly he planned on withdrawing troops.

But go ahead and spin it some more. This is fun to watch to flop around trying to back out of this one.

Originally posted by: Tab
Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

Is this your way of trying to get out of this one? Spin all you want, but my original statement stands. Obama didn't run on a liberal platform. He touted cutting taxes, cutting spending, and pulling out of Iraq in a responsible manner. None of which are "liberal" policies.

 

[ProfJohn]

You guys claiming that we had some big shift to the left are nuts.

There was a poll released right before the election that shows more people believed Obama would cut their taxes than McCain.

Also, Obama may be a left leaning politician, but he never ran on or espoused left leaning ideas (after the primaries ended.) He answered questions at the debates with big sweeping answers that spoke of change or investments, but never spoke of HOW he was going to make those 'investments'

Find me examples of him pushing more social programs, or bigger government during the debates or his big TV addresses.

Here is the second debate's transcript
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...gton/2008/10/post.html
Notice that Obama talks about tax cuts twice in the first two questions. Contrast that to admitted lefty Democrats like Mondale who said we needed to raise taxes.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys claiming that we had some big shift to the left are nuts.

There was a poll released right before the election that shows more people believed Obama would cut their taxes than McCain.

Also, Obama may be a left leaning politician, but he never ran on or espoused left leaning ideas (after the primaries ended.) He answered questions at the debates with big sweeping answers that spoke of change or investments, but never spoke of HOW he was going to make those 'investments'

Find me examples of him pushing more social programs, or bigger government during the debates or his big TV addresses.

Here is the second debate's transcript
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...gton/2008/10/post.html
Notice that Obama talks about tax cuts twice in the first two questions. Contrast that to admitted lefty Democrats like Mondale who said we needed to raise taxes.

Sorry that leftists don't fit into your caricatured understanding. Progressivism isn't based around more taxes, it is based around a graduated tax that taxes the rich more. Obama's tax plan is explicitly and unapologetically a leftist tax program, and it was overwhelmingly endorsed by the American people.

You really expected Obama at these debates to go into long drawn out explanations of exactly what all the details of his plans were going to be in his 2 minute answers at the debate? Are you crazy? (of course you aren't. You know that the reason he didn't is the same reason McCain didn't. The only problem is that this would disrupt your talking points, so you will conveniently ignore it until the pain goes away)

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

I guess Tab either forgot about this thread, or realized he was wrong but didnt want to admit it.

Well, if an highly-edited youtube video is going to convince you that Barack Obama is lier despite all of his advisors saying that his plan has always been a 6-month withdrawal plan, his spokesmen saying the same thing, his official plan saying the same thing, his vice president saying the same thing and himself saying the same thing...

Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

I see. So what you are saying is that you would rather believe his plan has "always" been a 6-month plan because thats what his advisors say, when in fact we have video proof of Obama saying he would withdaw all troops by March 2009.

If you are trying to suggest this video is somehow out of context, I would love to see you prove that one. You see, Obama said VERY clearly in that debate when exactly he planned on withdrawing troops.

But go ahead and spin it some more. This is fun to watch to flop around trying to back out of this one.

Originally posted by: Tab
Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

Is this your way of trying to get out of this one? Spin all you want, but my original statement stands. Obama didn't run on a liberal platform. He touted cutting taxes, cutting spending, and pulling out of Iraq in a responsible manner. None of which are "liberal" policies.

***Sigh***

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Tab
So, the American public elects a obvious left-leaning individual but the American public isn't moving left it's just because McCain ran a poor campaign, the economy was in rough shape, ACORN stole the votes, blah blah blah

No wonder you lost this election...

Obama didn't run on a leftist platform.

Really, in this thread you said,

Where do you get that from because last I checked, Obama had one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Also, like i said earlier, I dont see Obama going around speaking about ending gridlock in Washington. I hear him going around saying he is going to pull our troops out of Iraq, along with many other liberal policies. Those aren't exactly policies that "unite" politicians.

Are you going to telll Corbett that he's wrong, or should I?

Do you have any idea how much Obama changed his platform since January? After the nomination the guy started talking about tax cuts, cutting spending and getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner. Not exactly "liberal" ideas.

/facepalm

Getting out of Iraq immediately is a liberal idea.

Getting out of Iraq in a responsible manner is a moderate idea.

You obviously don't know the difference between the two, nor realize that Obama went from promising to do one of them to promising to do the other.

LOL!

Please show me where in Obama's FP that he has asked to get out of Iraq immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVsqFQTbKXo

.....

I guess Tab either forgot about this thread, or realized he was wrong but didnt want to admit it.

Well, if an highly-edited youtube video is going to convince you that Barack Obama is lier despite all of his advisors saying that his plan has always been a 6-month withdrawal plan, his spokesmen saying the same thing, his official plan saying the same thing, his vice president saying the same thing and himself saying the same thing...

Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

I see. So what you are saying is that you would rather believe his plan has "always" been a 6-month plan because thats what his advisors say, when in fact we have video proof of Obama saying he would withdaw all troops by March 2009.

If you are trying to suggest this video is somehow out of context, I would love to see you prove that one. You see, Obama said VERY clearly in that debate when exactly he planned on withdrawing troops.

But go ahead and spin it some more. This is fun to watch to flop around trying to back out of this one.

Originally posted by: Tab
Well, I honestly don't think I can convince you and I think I'm wasting my time.

Is this your way of trying to get out of this one? Spin all you want, but my original statement stands. Obama didn't run on a liberal platform. He touted cutting taxes, cutting spending, and pulling out of Iraq in a responsible manner. None of which are "liberal" policies.

***Sigh***

Crickets....

 

[Fern]

Please stop the excessively nested quotes

T.I.A.

Fern
AnandTech P&N Moderator

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Text

Click on "Voting Shifts".

A few examples that should scare the shit out of the GOP:

Montana
2004 - R +21
2008 - R +2
Shift - D +19

Indiana
2004 - R +21
2008 - D +1
Shift - D +22

New Mexico
2004 - R +1
2008 - D +15
Shift - D +16

Oregon
2004 - D +4
2008 - D +16
Shift - D +12

The entire "Voting Shift" map is painted blue. Blue states and red states got dramatically bluer this year.

One notable exception: Arkansas, America's cess pit, shifted 10 points redder this year. I think I still hear their chants of "John McCain, Not Barack Hussein" :laugh:

This isnt evidence of voting shift... This is evidence of Obama's polularity. Now if these same states go dem in the next few elections, including House and Senate, its a shift.