NYPD Officer talks about Arrest Quotas & Arresting Innocent Suspects

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Sinsear

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The PBA is going to squash this guy. "Suggested numbers" and "quotas" are 2 different things.
 

Sinsear

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They're not, really. If you want to keep your job or advance your career.


The union contracts prohibit "quotas". The numbers are "suggested". It's semantics but that's the way it is. But you are correct, if you don't produce you are unlikely to get perks, special details, or short roll call overtime.


But then again. The NYPD has nearly 38,000 officers. But one guy is gonna bring down the whole operation? Please. He sounds like a zero. More of a guy who would rather be napping behind the donut shop, than out doing his job. And from the look of him it appears he probably likes donuts.
 
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cubeless

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and all suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... so everyone they arrest is innocent... some just may be a little more innocent than others...
 

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I have really lost a lot of respect for the police. Law enforcement has become a money making business for cash strapped government. They are becoming a protection racket.
 

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I have really lost a lot of respect for the police. Law enforcement has become a money making business for cash strapped government. They are becoming a protection racket.
Law enforcement cost the government $$
 

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But then again. The NYPD has nearly 38,000 officers. But one guy is gonna bring down the whole operation? Please. He sounds like a zero. More of a guy who would rather be napping behind the donut shop, than out doing his job. And from the look of him it appears he probably likes donuts.

Yeah I can't think of anyone single officer turned whistle blower from the NYPD that made an impact before. I mean someone like that would probably have a movie about him. Sounds like the perfect role for Pacino!
 
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The union contracts prohibit "quotas". The numbers are "suggested". It's semantics but that's the way it is. But you are correct, if you don't produce you are unlikely to get perks, special details, or short roll call overtime.

Police have to justify to the upper echelons what they did during their shift. I will use the Tennessee Highway patrol as an example. A trooper goes on an 8 hour shift. He will get 1 hour of credit for a traffic ticket. 2 hours of credit for tending to an accident. He does not have any stipulation that he has to write X number of tickets per day. However, if he reports in at the end of his shift and presents 2 speeding tickets... he will have some explaining to do as to what he did during a large portion of his shift.

So looking at the career of a NYPD cop... you are right if his arrest slate is empty, then he is never going to get promoted.
 

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Yeah I can't think of anyone single officer turned whistle blower from the NYPD that made an impact before. I mean someone like that would probably have a movie about him. Sounds like the perfect role for Pacino!

The NYPD did not deny giving officers quotas. Did you watch the video?
 

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Law enforcement cost the government $$

Correction: Law enforcement costs the taxpayer money, government is just the pass through agent. :awe:

Spending half my life in major urban areas I regularly see both the good and the bad of law enforcement agencies. Lots of really great cops, lots of marginal types as well. Like in most organizations, it is going to be management that determines which predominates.

I have found that rural cops, and state troopers when in really rural areas, are pretty good at keeping the peace. They do need to bring in reinforcements when they encounter gangs and if there is a need for technical support, but on the whole they know who is making trouble and who is not.

Feds are a real mixed bag. I worry about how many are being recruited by the various agencies as they ramp up. The standards are not going to be quite there, but the egos are not going to any less apparent.

The really aggressive cops have no problem in finding the bad guys. The donut cops can usually find their way to the local Dunkin Donuts. Trying to get the numbers up will just result in any number of bad or inconsequential busts.

When I was in the corporate world in NYC I learned a lot about street crime enforcement from a guy by the name of Bo Dietel. He still is kind of a grand stander but was a go to guy for me a couple of times then when he was first starting off in the security business. How he got 1,400 felony arrests in 15 years compared to the average cop's career total of 180 is quite the story. Ha ha, he gave me an autographed copy of his book the first time we had dinner! He's no great author, but the book is worth a read.

One Tough Cop: The Bo Dietl Story
 
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Fern

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I have really lost a lot of respect for the police. Law enforcement has become a money making business for cash strapped government. They are becoming a protection racket.

Law enforcement cost the government $$

I don't know, I'd like to see some numbers on this.

I've sat through court a couple of times, and I came away with the impression it was run like a 'money-maker'. For the most part it went pretty fast and 99&#37; was handing out fines (including court costs). I also learned that people who got jail time also had to pay for that (per-day charge for being in jail like it was a hotel) and they were charged for jail food too.

Around here, and I suspect in most places, law enforcement keeps property used in committing a crime. We have quite a number of our sheriffs deputies etc driving around in confiscated high-end automobiles (e.g., corvettes). They recently busted a couple of drug traffickers passing through who had over a million $'s in cash, yep we kept that too.

I suppose law enforcement may still lose money, but I wonder if it's really that much when all things are factored in.

Fern
 
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