NYPD and possible work stoppage

[GarfieldtheCat]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/31/the-nypds-revolt-is-a-direct-threat-to-democracy/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/the-benefits-of-fewer-nypd-arrests/384126/

http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/

So where is the outrage from the right on this? The NYPD is basically doing a work stoppage because they are pissed that people hate them with all the examples of police brutality that they have done.

NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.

NYPD officers and union leaders have been at odds with Mayor Bill de Blasio in the wake of the Eric Garner case and the killings of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos this month. In their latest move, officers have begun a "virtual work stoppage" throughout the city by making fewer low-level arrests and issuing fewer citations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report.

Why isn't the mayor firing people? They are disrespecting him and his office. The are (supposed to) be professionals. They need to act like it and not a bunch of spoiled brats.

Imagine if the Marines stopped saluting the President and instead turned away from him? You know how fast court-martials would start?

Why does the NYPD get a free pass for this sort of action?

 

[ivwshane]

The mayor should do what Reagan did with the airline traffic controllers and fire all of them. I'd like to see the rights response if he did that. I certainly haven't heard anyone on the right talking about "union thugs", but then again hypocrisy is their middle name.

 

[Darwin333]

Sounds as if they are acting as peace officers, like they used to be, instead of jackbooted thugs. I only question why it took something so horrible as two officers being gunned down in cold blood to get them to come to their senses?

 

[ivwshane]

Sounds as if they are acting as peace officers, like they used to be, instead of jackbooted thugs. I only question why it took something so horrible as two officers being gunned down in cold blood to get them to come to their senses?

Yeah it pretty much is a lose lose if they act like this

Either crime goes up and the union and their supporters (as in the police officers) get blamed for it.

Crime levels stay the same and people realize we don't need this many police nor their bit picking harassing.

Crime goes down and everyone realizes that police really aren't needed and New York can save a ton of money by getting rid of them.

 

[TreVader]

This is ridiculous. They aren't even striking! They are showing up and not doing their job, then going home and collecting a paycheck. What other kind of employee gets this kind of leeway?


And it's leeway in everything. The "Boys in blue" are babies who need every little thing done for them, they can't wipe their own asses without a few taxpayer dollars to wipe with. Why are they still getting payed? Why is the city of NY not doing a hiring drive to replace these assholes?

Even after their own fucking police chief told them not to turn around, they still did it. They are children who must be spanked.

The other thing that comes to my mind is, what utter cowards! Two cops die, and they cower away and shirk their responsibilities. Do you know what this says to all the rioters? It says the NYPD can be bullied because they are children!

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah it pretty much is a lose lose if they act like this

Either crime goes up and the union and their supporters (as in the police officers) get blamed for it.

Crime levels stay the same and people realize we don't need this many police nor their bit picking harassing.

Crime goes down and everyone realizes that police really aren't needed and New York can save a ton of money by getting rid of them.

I see 1 potential lose and 2 potential wins for the public there, definitely wouldn't call it a "lose/lose".

Fucking with citizens in order to keep job security is not a very good reason for said citizens to employ that person, at least imho.

 

[Humpy]

"The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report."

LOL WTF? What did union leadership urge the members to do before? Wing it?

Also, if anyone is wondering, it is now known how to stop NYPD's overzealous behavior.

 

[Darwin333]

This is ridiculous. They aren't even striking! They are showing up and not doing their job, then going home and collecting a paycheck. What other kind of employee gets this kind of leeway?


And it's leeway in everything. The "Boys in blue" are babies who need every little thing done for them, they can't wipe their own asses without a few taxpayer dollars to wipe with. Why are they still getting payed? Why is the city of NY not doing a hiring drive to replace these assholes?

Even after their own fucking police chief told them not to turn around, they still did it. They are children who must be spanked.

The other thing that comes to my mind is, what utter cowards! Two cops die, and they cower away and shirk their responsibilities. Do you know what this says to all the rioters? It says the NYPD can be bullied because they are children!

Shrug, they are doing exactly what I wish ALL police would do and that is act as peace officers, whose job it is to keep the peace. They aren't fucking with people who aren't fucking with the "peace". Good for them I say.

Just a little while ago they choked a guy to death for committing the "crime" of selling something he lawfully owned to someone else who was able to lawfully own said item. Even if it would have been a simple arrest, sure ain't keeping the peace in my book fucking with someone selling his own property to someone who could lawfully own and use said property.

 

[TreVader]

I see 1 potential lose and 2 potential wins for the public there, definitely wouldn't call it a "lose/lose".



Fucking with citizens in order to keep job security is not a very good reason for said citizens to employ that person, at least imho.

I don't want them leeching off the public and doing no work. I get that they were jackboot thugs before, but if we fire them all doesn't that fix the thug problem?


I really see no better solution. Whomever mentioned the airline controllers, that is exactly what should be done!

 

[Darwin333]

I don't want them leeching off the public and doing no work. I get that they were jackboot thugs before, but if we fire them all doesn't that fix the thug problem?


I really see no better solution. Whomever mentioned the airline controllers, that is exactly what should be done!

And replace them with an entire new set of jackbooted thugs??? What makes you think that the entire psychology of the job and those who perform it will change because you fired a bunch of people doing exactly what most normal citizens want them to do?

You would be quite literally firing them for NOT being jackbooted thugs, why in the world would you expect the new guys to continue not being jackbooted thugs?

 

[Kadarin]

"The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report."

LOL WTF? What did union leadership urge the members to do before? Wing it?

Also, if anyone is wondering, it is now known how to stop NYPD's overzealous behavior.

Not making arrests unless absolutely necessary is something they should have been doing all along. If that wasn't the case, then something is very, very wrong.

 

[TreVader]

And replace them with an entire new set of jackbooted thugs??? What makes you think that the entire psychology of the job and those who perform it will change because you fired a bunch of people doing exactly what most normal citizens want them to do?



You would be quite literally firing them for NOT being jackbooted thugs, why in the world would you expect the new guys to continue not being jackbooted thugs?

No, you are firing them for insubordination. If they are told to do something by their superiors and refuse, then they deserve to be fired. Their job is to protect and serve.

Maybe we should wait until we see what effect this lack of enforcement has on the violent crime rate. If it stays the same or goes down, then I agree with you we can leave them and just emasculate them. If it goes up then they should hire new people.

I also think you underestimate the effect a mass firing like that would have on the "thin blue line" culture. It would disappear. All the cop dynasties would be broken. None of the big Union reps would be relevant anymore. It would be a NIGHTMARE for the militarization of police. They would lose all their current ties to the military.

You don't get it, if they see an advantage to being thugs again they will be. Why give them another chance?

 

[OBLAMA2009]

man these cops are showing their true colors. they are thugs who have no respect for authority, for the law or for the rest of society, they need to be butt smashed until they learn that they are PAID EMPLOYEES and taking salaries for not doing work, or turning your back on your boss and wrecking a funeral is not something subordinates can be allowed to get away with man

man if people realized what percentage of a city budget goes to the cops they would be disgusted,

 

[Dari]

Don't we already have a huge thread about this?

 

[fskimospy]

Imagine if any public service union other than the police did this.

Conservatives would lose their minds.

 

[glenn1]

Imagine if any public service union other than the police did this.

Conservatives would lose their minds.

The party that thinks government is too big and tries to do too much would lose their minds if some government employees decided not to do their jobs? The people who argue for the shutdown as a good thing would lose their minds?

You'll have to explain your logic on this one because your statement is completely ass backwards unless you forgot to add some important piece of context.

 

[Matt1970]

They are showing up and not doing their job, then going home and collecting a paycheck. What other kind of employee gets this kind of leeway?

Hey, it's government work.

 

[ivwshane]

I see 1 potential lose and 2 potential wins for the public there, definitely wouldn't call it a "lose/lose".

Fucking with citizens in order to keep job security is not a very good reason for said citizens to employ that person, at least imho.

Yeah I should have clarified; it's a lose lose for the police/police union.

 

[shady28]

Yeah I should have clarified; it's a lose lose for the police/police union.

Probably, might depend on how it is perceived though.

Maybe the NYPD are now just doing their core job of protecting people and property, and not being tax collectors with guns.

 

[ivwshane]

Probably, might depend on how it is perceived though.

Maybe the NYPD are now just doing their core job of protecting people and property, and not being tax collectors with guns.

You just made my point

 

[TreVader]

It is so monumentally arrogant and disrespectful to turn your back on the mayor during a nationally televised funeral of their own colleague, and after they were admonished for doing it before and told not to do it again by the chief of police.


It just goes to show you that the police are cut from the exact same cloth as the criminals they claim to try to put away. They are two sides of the same coin.


We need to fire every last police officer in the NYPD, replace them with cops from neighboring districts for the next month and we can hold a hiring drive for new officers. All those people searching for jobs can now trade places with the police who clearly don't want to work theirs. There also has to be a law passed that says none of these fired cops can be allowed to work as a cop ever again. And a law that makes them ineligible for pensions if they are fired for insubordination.


I don't know how anybody who doesn't work for the NYPD could look at this and not be absolutely disgusted. Now lets see the authoritarians and colored people denigrators come in here an defend their favorite other white meat.

 

[Jhhnn]

The party that thinks government is too big and tries to do too much would lose their minds if some government employees decided not to do their jobs? The people who argue for the shutdown as a good thing would lose their minds?

You'll have to explain your logic on this one because your statement is completely ass backwards unless you forgot to add some important piece of context.

Reference right wing authoritarianism as context.

I haven't figured out why the NYPD is all up in the Mayor's face, anyway. He didn't create the situation where the two officers were slain, at all. They'd have to look at themselves to figure that out.

 

[ivwshane]

It is so monumentally arrogant and disrespectful to turn your back on the mayor during a nationally televised funeral of their own colleague, and after they were admonished for doing it before and told not to do it again by the chief of police.


It just goes to show you that the police are cut from the exact same cloth as the criminals they claim to try to put away. They are two sides of the same coin.


We need to fire every last police officer in the NYPD, replace them with cops from neighboring districts for the next month and we can hold a hiring drive for new officers. All those people searching for jobs can now trade places with the police who clearly don't want to work theirs. There also has to be a law passed that says none of these fired cops can be allowed to work as a cop ever again. And a law that makes them ineligible for pensions if they are fired for insubordination.


I don't know how anybody who doesn't work for the NYPD could look at this and not be absolutely disgusted. Now lets see the authoritarians and colored people denigrators come in here an defend their favorite other white meat.

Moonbeam? No.

 

[TreVader]

Moonbeam? No.

He defends them as much as the next conservative here. I'm not sure why, but he decided to pick a fight with me over it in the thread about cop who shot his wife in bed. Didn't work out well for him.



Anyway, there are very few news stories that actually anger me, but this one does for real. When your police department is getting tips on how protest from the Westboro Baptist Church it's time to make a change.

 

[fskimospy]

The party that thinks government is too big and tries to do too much would lose their minds if some government employees decided not to do their jobs? The people who argue for the shutdown as a good thing would lose their minds?

You'll have to explain your logic on this one because your statement is completely ass backwards unless you forgot to add some important piece of context.

Yes. Conservatives have generally defended the police here but do not do that for other public services.

How is this hard to understand.