NYC - One in five have mental health problems

[Newell Steamer]

Yes, my answer is that you're an idiot.

Suicide rate is a tiny piece of the puzzle, it's a barely noticeable blip on the radar of mental problems. And it's clearly understood by almost everyone (except you of course) that suicide doesn't really follow red/blue state lines and that the one study that claimed it did was pure bupkis conducted by a biased researched with a clear political agenda.

The CDC is biased?

Wait, are you an expert on suicide? What do you know that the CDC and multiple other organization on suicide don't know?

Well, give it up man - you could be saving the lives of so many Red state residents!!

Also, is this biased as well? edit: it's based on CDC data, so, your answer may very well be yes... but, white makes are NOT the one race that kills itself the most?

https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures

White males accounted for 70% of all suicides in 2013.

Also, if the CDC is biased, then the OP and his link clearly is as well; your argument can't be a one way street.

 

[DrPizza]

Once again, NY isn't even in the top 20 states for suicide and the majority of the states with the highest rates of suicide are in the south and west!

So, by your logic I'd be forced to ask ... why are red states so much worse the blue states? You have an answer for that?


Brian

Mayyyyyybe, it's because handguns and long guns are very difficult to own in NYC for law abiding citizens.

Begin.

 

[boomerang]

Wow, I assume that extrapolates across all industries and workplaces, including LEO. That's a scary number if true.

Perhaps, unless the people that would benefit from providing mental health services have a vested interest in a lot of people needing mental health services.

 

[Sonikku]

Let me do the fox news headline erhm...


"Liberals, one in five crazy?"

No, 5 out of 5 crazy. If they were sane they would be Conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

Have we determined what fraction of the adults in other major American cities suffer from mental health problems?

To shira: Yes, self hate is universal. Folk like Hellen Keller may be safe because they did not learn as children via being put down with language that they were worthless, but without language they also can't develop there own capacity to experience and resist the disease.

To all and to me:

But one of the features of the ego is to prize its supposed mental health, to avoid feeling worthless as all costs. A population, therefore, that identifies as having a high degree of mental illness is a population that is more liberal than conservative, a population that is more realistic and honest about its inner condition.

Humanity is asleep, living in an upside down and backward world where the paradoxes of opposites are not understood. A psychological truth, that is not understood then, is that down is up, that to heal we have to dive down and swim out of a capsized boat, the prison. we are in. What this means in this instance is that the sicker you know you are, the healthier you actually are. because it is in feeling the sickness you feel that you have that one can remember how one came to be sick in the first place.

The real danger of mental illness is when it expresses itself as revenge, when self hate is projected and justified as allowable expression.

This is why the world isn't dying from mental illness, but from not denying what it is. The world is dying from the pretense of ego.

Do not flatter yourself that you are mentally healthy but strive for compassion for the ill, because when you see them you are looing at yourself.
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Are you a functioning individual, a parent to loves and takes care of your children, a success in business, a doer of some kind, a person leading what we would call a successful life? If so then you know consciously that you can't actually be the worst in the world and every success that you have is a positive and a proof of that. I tell you only that to know you feel like the worst in the world is enormously difficult to do but that the feeling is deeply hidden but there. Step over it and keep going if you can, trust that you are loved by God is you have faith. Trust that the true nature of human beings is to be positive because it is. There is this huge treasure of inner riches you possess that can never be exhausted.

None can escape being put down as children but none of the words were true. We were hurt and that hurt was buried and never resolved. There is an assumption we were all forced to swallow, that we deserved our suffering when we know we didn't and that is the source of our rage.

 

[werepossum]

This is news to nobody.

The big, unanswered question is whether NYC attracts the mentally ill or whether NYC takes normal people and makes them mentally ill.

lol +1

Q: What's worse than being mentally ill?
A: Being mentally ill someplace where the only person who can save you is the guy who literally takes several decades to figure out his own name.

 

[woolfe9998]

Seems to match national statistics.

https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-By-the-Numbers

Watch your step climbing off that high horse!

Yup.

http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608

Fail thread. Better luck next time OP.

 

[werepossum]

I think it's ironic that we have MUCH higher rates of depression than 3rd world shitholes. I mean how crazy it is that we are more depressed than people who have no running water or electricity, have to walk 10 miles for some dirty ass water to drink and have no idea if they will eat anything at all over the next few days. Oh yeah, their country, or their little corner of it, is likely ran by warlords that might show up and rape them, kill them or both in no particular order.

I think it's the same reasoning that made suicide so much more prevalent in the Great Depression among the formerly wealthy than among the common people. If you are always dirt poor and struggling to make ends meet, then whatever happens is just more of the same. If you are wealthy and privileged, then anything bad that happens - even things that would just be considered life as normal by most people - seems catastrophic. You very seldom hear about your garbage man being paralyzed by anxiety or your dogwalker being unable to have a healthy relationship because her uncle bad touched her, but wealthy celebrities are happy to talk for hours on such problems.

tl/dr: People are stupid and unable to put things into perspective.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think it's the same reasoning that made suicide so much more prevalent in the Great Depression among the formerly wealthy than among the common people. If you are always dirt poor and struggling to make ends meet, then whatever happens is just more of the same. If you are wealthy and privileged, then anything bad that happens - even things that would just be considered life as normal by most people - seems catastrophic. You very seldom hear about your garbage man being paralyzed by anxiety or your dogwalker being unable to have a healthy relationship because her uncle bad touched her, but wealthy celebrities are happy to talk for hours on such problems.

tl/dr: People are stupid and unable to put things into perspective.

What would your perspective be on why a formerly wealthy person would find the loss of wealth catastrophic? It seems as if bshole is suffering a similar depression. Do you think he's just stupid? I don't think that's the answer but something about his perspective could be off, I guess. This state of acquisition and loss is, I think, rather interesting.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think it's the same reasoning that made suicide so much more prevalent in the Great Depression among the formerly wealthy than among the common people. If you are always dirt poor and struggling to make ends meet, then whatever happens is just more of the same. If you are wealthy and privileged, then anything bad that happens - even things that would just be considered life as normal by most people - seems catastrophic. You very seldom hear about your garbage man being paralyzed by anxiety or your dogwalker being unable to have a healthy relationship because her uncle bad touched her, but wealthy celebrities are happy to talk for hours on such problems.

tl/dr: People are stupid and unable to put things into perspective.

I think this is pretty astute. I would add, however, that I'd rather be in the position of hyper-sensitivity because we live cushy and protected lives than be in the opposite situation. Here we freak out if we hear about one person dying. In the third world if a hundred die they shrug it off because life is cheap and they are desensitized. If only the rest of the world were as hyper-sensitive (i.e. prosperous) we probably wouldn't face so many outside threats like terrorism.

So far as people who whine about seemingly minor things, I think that is our permanent cross to bear as a successful nation. Though I will admit it can be annoying at times.

 

[Rakehellion]

We're #1!

Though I'm sure not being able to afford rent is a good cause for much of that.

 

[zinfamous]

The DSM has become so ridiculously broad that I think that number probably speaks to the larger US population, as well.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Q: What's worse than being mentally ill?

A: Not receiving treatment and killing yourself, like so many white males in the US have.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Yup.

http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608

Fail thread. Better luck next time OP.

Yep, my reply the other day on the suicide rates is right in line with the broader mental health data listed here. And it reinforces the fact that this problem is nation wide AND that NY isn't near the top of the list.

Big time fail thread!


Brian

 

[Zaap]

Not sure what suicide is supposed to be an indicator of in this discussion.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/suicide

The top states are more northwestern than southern. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say the most likely reason for the top states is probably isolation and long cold winters, not anything to do with anyone's dumbass politics.

Meanwhile, quite a few places in the world with higher suicide rates than the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

South Korea and Japan for example have alarmingly high rates, and they're certainly not poor, undeveloped countries.

Suicide rates seem like an incredibly dumb thing to try and make into a political argument, given that they are all over the map. (Pun intended in this case.)

 

[werepossum]

What would your perspective be on why a formerly wealthy person would find the loss of wealth catastrophic? It seems as if bshole is suffering a similar depression. Do you think he's just stupid? I don't think that's the answer but something about his perspective could be off, I guess. This state of acquisition and loss is, I think, rather interesting.

No, I certainly don't think my buddy bshole is stupid. I think he works in a high stress field in Milwaukee, where virtually everyone is either unhappy or drunk, at the start of another long, dreary winter, and he has not yet found anything to put in the hole people commonly fill with G-d. As far as why wealthy people find the loss of wealth catastrophic, I would assume there are three main reasons. First, especially with men we expect to provide for our families, and one's definition of providing is typically starting at the level at which one customarily does. Therefore a sudden inability to continue providing at that level seems like failure, even if the accustomed level is far above what anyone actually needs to be happy. Second, if one is wealthy, especially self-made (which most wealthy people are) then one tends to measure success as the generation of wealth, so the inability to do so (by one's own standards) again seems like failure. Third, if one suddenly loses a lot of wealth, that means the things one previously did are no longer workable. The newly impoverished are thrown into a world where they don't know how to function. The CEO of Westinghouse doesn't need to know how to ride the bus, or fix his car, or repair a ripped pair of trousers. The skills one needs as a poor person are not those that a wealthy person knows or uses, so the newly broke person feels like a failure not only in his former role but also as a failure even as a poor person. And if one feels like a failure by his own standards - whether or not that is actually, objectively true - then whatever put him or her there IS catastrophic.

I think this is pretty astute. I would add, however, that I'd rather be in the position of hyper-sensitivity because we live cushy and protected lives than be in the opposite situation. Here we freak out if we hear about one person dying. In the third world if a hundred die they shrug it off because life is cheap and they are desensitized. If only the rest of the world were as hyper-sensitive (i.e. prosperous) we probably wouldn't face so many outside threats like terrorism.

So far as people who whine about seemingly minor things, I think that is our permanent cross to bear as a successful nation. Though I will admit it can be annoying at times.

Amen, brother. Amen. I just wish more people would see that. It's like when designers would complain about how much the guys in the shop were making. Dude, you aren't here because the Sorting Hat put you here, you are here because you intentionally learned the skills suitable for this job. If another job seems more attractive now, go learn those skills and get that job.

A: Not receiving treatment and killing yourself, like so many white males in the US have.

Hey, who said you couldn't make this issue about race? Certainly not me; I had faith in you.

 

[werepossum]

We're #1!

Though I'm sure not being able to afford rent is a good cause for much of that.

I'd guess that just being able to afford rent in Brooklyn probably puts you in the wealthiest 20% of the world, if you are debt free.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd guess that just being able to afford rent in Brooklyn probably puts you in the wealthiest 20% of the world, if you are debt free.

Funny note, median income in Brooklyn is pretty much the same as the US as a whole.

 

[Darwin333]

I think it's the same reasoning that made suicide so much more prevalent in the Great Depression among the formerly wealthy than among the common people. If you are always dirt poor and struggling to make ends meet, then whatever happens is just more of the same. If you are wealthy and privileged, then anything bad that happens - even things that would just be considered life as normal by most people - seems catastrophic. You very seldom hear about your garbage man being paralyzed by anxiety or your dogwalker being unable to have a healthy relationship because her uncle bad touched her, but wealthy celebrities are happy to talk for hours on such problems.

tl/dr: People are stupid and unable to put things into perspective.

I agree completely. I have always just enjoyed the irony. 60 lb woman with every last one of her ribs showing she is so skinny walking 10 miles in the friggen desert to fill up a can of water in a filthy ass river only to walk 10 miles back to your hut, gotta dig a hole behind your hut to take a shit in, hoping you might eat tomorrow or the next day, etc...

That woman is happier than some of our rich/celebs that have it freaking made.

 

[werepossum]

Funny note, median income in Brooklyn is pretty much the same as the US as a whole.

Isn't the rent compared to the US as a whole high though?

 

[Brian Stirling]

Not sure what suicide is supposed to be an indicator of in this discussion.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/suicide

The top states are more northwestern than southern. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say the most likely reason for the top states is probably isolation and long cold winters, not anything to do with anyone's dumbass politics.

Meanwhile, quite a few places in the world with higher suicide rates than the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

South Korea and Japan for example have alarmingly high rates, and they're certainly not poor, undeveloped countries.

Suicide rates seem like an incredibly dumb thing to try and make into a political argument, given that they are all over the map. (Pun intended in this case.)

Take it up with the OP as his theory has been clearly disproved. Take it up with the OP who was trying to make a point about liberal NY but wound up shooting himself. If you look back at the other posts that highlight broader mental health issues that show a similar pattern of western and southern states being more represented then liberal NY. Take it up with the OP!


Brian

 

[Moonbeam]

As far as why wealthy people find the loss of wealth catastrophic, I would assume there are three main reasons. First, especially with men we {expect} to provide for our families, and one's definition of providing is typically starting at the level at which one customarily does. Therefore a sudden inability to continue providing at that level {seems like} failure, even if the accustomed level is far above what anyone actually needs to be happy. Second, if one is wealthy, especially self-made (which most wealthy people are) then one tends to measure success as the generation of wealth, so the inability to do so {(by one's own standards) again seems like} failure. Third, if one suddenly loses a lot of wealth, that means the things one previously did are no longer workable. The newly impoverished are thrown into a world where they don't know how to function. The CEO of Westinghouse doesn't need to know how to ride the bus, or fix his car, or repair a ripped pair of trousers. The skills one needs as a poor person are not those that a wealthy person knows or uses, so the newly broke person feels like a failure not only in his former role but also as a failure even as a poor person. And if one M{feels like a failure by his own standards} - whether or not that is actually, objectively true - then whatever put him or her there IS catastrophic.

In short, a catastrophe is created by our assumptions about what wa define as reality but not the reality hat actually is, and we suffer the feelings associated with catastrophe, because we believe our delusions are real.

I think if you look, what you will find is that the source of the feelings of catastrophe is damage to the ego since those not infected with such delusions don't suffer under the identical conditions. If so then perhaps what is wrong with bshole isn't stress or low light levels so much as a loss of self importance believing in God used to give him. He claims he suffers because life has no meaning, but doesn't seem to include his importance (his own meaninglessness) in the equation.

 

[boomerang]

Take it up with the OP as his theory has been clearly disproved. Take it up with the OP who was trying to make a point about liberal NY but wound up shooting himself.

This place is as entertaining it gets. All for the price of Internet access too!

So now, a Reuters article based on a report by the New York City's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is my theory? You're not alone in this thread with the paranoid delusions but you've taken it up quite a few notches higher.

And I've ended up "shooting myself". What a hoot! Like I'm going to slink off somewhere having learned a lesson. Some of you really thin-skinned guys are just whacked out.

 

[brycejones]

Not sure the OP ever had a theory......just looking to troll.

 

[fskimospy]

This place is as entertaining it gets. All for the price of Internet access too!

So now, a Reuters article based on a report by the New York City's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is my theory? You're not alone in this thread with the paranoid delusions but you've taken it up quite a few notches higher.

And I've ended up "shooting myself". What a hoot! Like I'm going to slink off somewhere having learned a lesson. Some of you really thin-skinned guys are just whacked out.

Hahaha, I don't think anyone here expects you to learn anything. We've seen you post enough to realize how unlikely that is.