NYC cop arrested in India over three 9mm rounds

[cyclohexane]

Lol, broke their laws, no sympathy.

 

[mizzou]

in america, people can get arrested for felony drug violations if you mix your pills all into the same container.


Granted our prosecutor's aren't so literal so you rarely get charged over something so simple.

 

[Lifted]

An Indian person being indignant to a foreigner? Ya don't say.
IIRC, the diplomat was treating her servants like slaves. Not exactly unheard of.

If by "treating her servants like slaves" you mean paying them $3/hour, then I'd have to disagree - a bit. That's more than we pay the IT Manager at our offices in India ($500/month). It's understandable that the US would expect foreign diplomats to follow US minimum wage laws, it's hardly grounds for strip searching one of their diplomats. They were paying her much more than the $1 - $3 per day a domestic worker type would be making back in India.

I'm not saying I don't think foreign governments should be following US minimum wage laws when they bring staff here, but when you consider that nearly all restaurant kitchens and farms in the US are maned by illegal/undocumented workers making less than minimum wage, and the US government turns a blind eye to this 100% of the time, it's hard to side with Uncle Sam when they decide to go over-the-top in applying the law in this one instance to a diplomat of a country we consider a strong ally in Asia (which makes it look like an obvious case of political payback of some sort rather than somebody actually giving even the slightest shit about the wage of some random Indian domestic worker).

 

[cabri]

If by "treating her servants like slaves" you mean paying them $3/hour, then I'd have to disagree - a bit. That's more than we pay the IT Manager at our offices in India ($500/month). It's understandable that the US would expect foreign diplomats to follow US minimum wage laws, it's hardly grounds for strip searching one of their diplomats. They were paying her much more than the $1 - $3 per day a domestic worker type would be making back in India.

The issue was not the pay rate itself, but when she filed the paperwork, she stated that they would be paid a set wage which was considered to be acceptable by the US state Department.
Then she did not do so. :thumbsdown:

Fraudulent paperwork. :\

 

[Ruptga]

The issue was not the pay rate itself, but when she filed the paperwork, she stated that they would be paid a set wage which was considered to be acceptable by the US state Department.
Then she did not do so. :thumbsdown:

Fraudulent paperwork. :\

Lifted's recap was accurate.

On December 11, 2013, Devyani Khobragade, then the Deputy Consul General of the Consulate General of India in New York City, was charged by U.S. authorities with committing visa fraud and providing false statements in order to gain entry to the United States for Sangeeta Richard, a woman of Indian nationality, for employment as a domestic worker for Khobragade in New York. Khobragade was arrested the next day by U.S. federal law enforcement authorities, subjected to a body-cavity search commonly called a "strip search", presented to a judge and released the same day. Her arrest and treatment have received much media attention particularly in India, and have led to a major diplomatic standoff between India and the United States.

The feds crossed the line when they did a body cavity search over fraud. What could she have possibly been hiding, forged documents? It was a dick move plain and simple.

 

[marvdmartian]

Sadly, you can get jacked up for the same offense, in our country's capitol city. :thumbsdown: D:

 

[BladeVenom]

Washington DC is worse. http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2535216

 

[Wuzup101]

india may be corrupt, but this guy definitely was a halfwit. Anyone who cant keep their ammo organized doesnt deserve to own them.

Meeh... that's a bit harsh. Ammo itself isn't harmful to anyone (unless you eat it). There is a big difference between bringing a gun somewhere and bringing 3 bullets which by them selves are as harmful as a few marbles or quarters. In a fight, what would you rather have, a metal pen or a 3 rounds of 9mm (and no gun)?

Any gun owner who has never found a random stray bullet, piece of brass, etc.. in a clothing pocket (or hood of your hoodie lol), cup holder, under the floor mat, etc... isn't shooting enough or is incredibly anal.

 

[Eug]

Meeh... that's a bit harsh. Ammo itself isn't harmful to anyone (unless you eat it). There is a big difference between bringing a gun somewhere and bringing 3 bullets which by them selves are as harmful as a few marbles or quarters. In a fight, what would you rather have, a metal pen or a 3 rounds of 9mm (and no gun)?

Any gun owner who has never found a random stray bullet, piece of brass, etc.. in a clothing pocket (or hood of your hoodie lol), cup holder, under the floor mat, etc... isn't shooting enough or is incredibly anal.

I can't believe you just suggested it isn't a big deal because lots of people aren't careful enough to keep track of frickin' live ammunition.

 

[Ruptga]

Hey, they're just small explosive capsules, what's the big deal?

 

[BladeVenom]

Hey, they're just small explosive capsules, what's the big deal?

They're not very dangerous without a gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

 

[mrjminer]

They're not very dangerous without a gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

Informative and cool video, but I think someone with bullets could find a way to use them as if they had a gun if that was their plan.

His own fault. I give India the benefit of the doubt and think they will let him go, though.

 

[Kadarin]

The guy's a cop, and cops are not our friends. No sympathy here.

 

[John Connor]

Cut funding to those cock suckers! Their diplomat was commenting visa fraud! They are as bad as Paikistan and both countries should just nuke themselves!

 

[Zee]

Meeh... that's a bit harsh. Ammo itself isn't harmful to anyone (unless you eat it). There is a big difference between bringing a gun somewhere and bringing 3 bullets which by them selves are as harmful as a few marbles or quarters. In a fight, what would you rather have, a metal pen or a 3 rounds of 9mm (and no gun)?

Any gun owner who has never found a random stray bullet, piece of brass, etc.. in a clothing pocket (or hood of your hoodie lol), cup holder, under the floor mat, etc... isn't shooting enough or is incredibly anal.

you got it ass backwards my friend. This aint cheetos. Everyone I know is organized with their guns and ammo. I can tell you surprisingly, even the habits of those with and without kids are the same in this one (you would expect those with kids to standout). They treat it the same as their medication basically.

Unless you refer to people in the backwaters. But that just proves what halfwits they are, as they shouldnt even be breeding.

 

[Ruptga]

Cut funding to those cock suckers! Their diplomat was commenting visa fraud! They are as bad as Paikistan and both countries should just nuke themselves!

Shit, print that off and send it to DC. I bet you'll have Kerry's job inside of a week with such an erudite application.

 

[midwestfisherman]

How did he get on a plane with live ammo to begin with??

Reading comprehension not found!

 

[midwestfisherman]

I can't believe you just suggested it isn't a big deal because lots of people aren't careful enough to keep track of frickin' live ammunition.

OMG! Look a bullet! It's going to jump up and kill someone!!!






LMAO!

 

[zoiks]

I'd never visit that country.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I find it interesting that the paper in the OP link can't even get their headlines straight. No one "demanded" anyone be released. The appeal to Kerry was for proper due process. If the person involved violated the laws of another nation then three to seven years would be just that. I wouldn't like to see that happen, but you can't just do such a thing and expect that because you are from NY you get a pass.

On the other hand if Cuomo were to be caught doing the same thing...

 

[Wuzup101]

I can't believe you just suggested it isn't a big deal because lots of people aren't careful enough to keep track of frickin' live ammunition.

Why can't you believe it. No one in their right mind thinks that a a few live stray small arms rounds are dangerous without a gun to fire them. I would fly on a plane if they handed every single person on that plane 3 live 9mm rounds before boarding. Again, people that think that they are inherently dangerous are watching too many movies. Furthermore, they were in the guy's checked luggage where they are 100% no danger to anyone.

Note that I'm sure it's a big deal to the guy and I'm not saying that India doesn't have every right to do whatever they want based on their law (I would hope that the state department would help out). I'm just saying that I can see how this happens.

you got it ass backwards my friend. This aint cheetos. Everyone I know is organized with their guns and ammo. I can tell you surprisingly, even the habits of those with and without kids are the same in this one (you would expect those with kids to standout). They treat it the same as their medication basically.

Unless you refer to people in the backwaters. But that just proves what halfwits they are, as they shouldn't even be breeding.

I don't have anything ass backwards. Being safe and organized with guns doesn't directly make you perfect. It's really easy to drop a few rounds at the range, pick them up, put them in your pocket, etc... This is especially true if you are doing active shooter drills and moving around. Those bullets are no more dangerous than a marble. Live ammo doesn't just go off randomly. Even if it did, with no barrel and chamber to create back pressure, it would just pop apart. So unless you plan to hold it in a tightly clenched fist while somehow setting it off, you are probably going to be fine. And if you want to try that, I'd be happy to load you a blank with only a primer and no powder that you can practice with (I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get very far).

I'm not saying that I don't keep my ammo organized (as someone that reloads his own ammo I'm pretty anal with how and where mine is stored). But that being said, I've been shooting enough to know that this scenario is 100% possible to happen to anyone even those that think they are super careful.

The medication thing is a good point. So you've never heard of anyone dropping their medication on the floor / spilling it in their purse / etc...? Doesn't happen? Always 100% picked up?

I've been shooting since I was 5 or so. 10,000+ rounds a year for quite a few years more recently. Safe gun handling has nothing to do with forgetting 2-3 rounds of ammo in your pocket. That has 100% chance of not hurting anyone.

Informative and cool video, but I think someone with bullets could find a way to use them as if they had a gun if that was their plan.

You would need to have a gun (it wouldn't need to necessarily look like a traditional gun). It would; however, need to operate like one. There are plenty of ways to improvise a firearm, but generally speaking it's not something that you are going to craft on a plane (once you get to your 3 bullets in your checked bag). Have a machine shop at your disposal? Not a problem - but then again you can also make bullets.

You aren't going to be able to fire a projectile from a live cartridge at anything or anyone without a chamber / barrel system to create a pressure front and force the projectile out at something. Can you get it to go off? Sure... place it on a hard surface and give it a good hit with a hammer. Is it going to hurt anyone? Possibly if it hits them in the eye or something... Put it this way... you can do way more damage to someone with a framing hammer by itself than trying to explode bullets with it at people lol...

I do apologize for the long winded post. Like I said, I'm not arguing about what India does to the guy... just stating that I can't believe there is so much ill will towards some random guy that you don't know for a relatively minor slip up. Lots of cop hate on this forum too... especially NY cops... as if they are the ones that gave NY shitty gun laws... not the people who created the laws... or the people who voted for those people.

 

[bononos]

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I do apologize for the long winded post. Like I said, I'm not arguing about what India does to the guy... just stating that I can't believe there is so much ill will towards some random guy that you don't know for a relatively minor slip up. Lots of cop hate on this forum too... especially NY cops... as if they are the ones that gave NY shitty gun laws... not the people who created the laws... or the people who voted for those people.

In India police don't normally carry firearms, just like British police. Unlawful possession of ammo is more serious over there because ammo is also harder to come by.

 

[bononos]

Lifted's recap was accurate.

The feds crossed the line when they did a body cavity search over fraud. What could she have possibly been hiding, forged documents? It was a dick move plain and simple.

No it wasn't. He missed the part about visa fraud. The diplomat wrote one figure for the visa application but made the servant sign another secret document.

It could have been a visual body cavity search which is could be standard procedure for that precinct.

 

[Ruptga]

No it wasn't. He missed the part about visa fraud. The diplomat wrote one figure for the visa application but made the servant sign another secret document.

It could have been a visual body cavity search which is could be standard procedure for that precinct.

Oh well stop the fucking presses, the visa fraud changes everything.

Strip searches being standard procedure could be standard practice, but do you really want to live someplace where that's the case? I don't; that sort of intrusion should only happen when there's probable cause, such as when booking a drug trafficker.

Standard procedure or no, diplomats are not standard, what's done to them is figuratively done to their entire country. Considering that I'd be pissed over being strip searched over a white collar infraction, I really can't blame all of India for being pissed that we treated their diplomat that way.

 

[inf1nity]

An Indian person being indignant to a foreigner? Ya don't say.
IIRC, the diplomat was treating her servants like slaves. Not exactly unheard of. We had an MP that was had up for this a couple years ago. She deserved what she got.

She was not treating her like a slave. According to US min wage law, she was supposed to pay her more than what she made herself. And in any case, stripping a female diplomat naked and doing a cavity search cannot be justified for something like this.

I wonder how the Americans would feel if we rounded up all their citizens in India, stripped them naked and checked their butts to determine whether they have been having gay sex, and them jailed them for 10 years for it.

In India police don't normally carry firearms, just like British police. Unlawful possession of ammo is more serious over there because ammo is also harder to come by.

This is incorrect. Low ranking Indian cops(called constables) carry bolt action rifles with them and the high ranking ones carry pistols.

Cut funding to those cock suckers! Their diplomat was commenting visa fraud! They are as bad as Paikistan and both countries should just nuke themselves!

Yeah please do. You'll be doing us a big favour.