NYC Birth Certificate X Gender

[EduCat]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/nyc-birth-certificates-gender-x

LoL not much to say really, not sure WTF they are actually thinking. These liquid left'rs are just about as dangerous as the gun nutters on the right. Maybe this is how the x-men get started. Mental illness is real, folks.

Being able to chose your gender is not a mental illness, it's a human right.

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[GoodRevrnd]

Why not just remove it outright if they're going to make it meaningless?

 

[Josephus312]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/nyc-birth-certificates-gender-x

LoL not much to say really, not sure WTF they are actually thinking. These liquid left'rs are just about as dangerous as the gun nutters on the right. Maybe this is how the x-men get started. Mental illness is real, folks.

Since this doesn't and will not affect me in any manner I don't see any reason to care about it. Could you at least express what your concern is? How will this affect you in any shape or form?

I do get your fear of mental illness though. Clearly this issue which has made you compare individuals birth certificates to gun violence has caused you to go completely mentally insane.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/nyc-birth-certificates-gender-x

LoL not much to say really, not sure WTF they are actually thinking. These liquid left'rs are just about as dangerous as the gun nutters on the right. Maybe this is how the x-men get started. Mental illness is real, folks.

You think allowing people to specify what gender they identify as is as dangerous as people pushing unfettered access to weapons of mass death?

You are seriously losing it.

 

[fskimospy]

Why not just remove it outright if they're going to make it meaningless?

99% of people will fill it out male or female and so you can still use it for data collection, etc. Now it's just if someone doesn't feel that way they don't have to check one of those boxes.

It's always weird to me that people get so worked up about these things that literally do not affect them in any way and don't hurt anyone.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The left is putting their imagination and feelings ahead of the science when it comes to gender.

 

[Moonbeam]

99% of people will fill it out male or female and so you can still use it for data collection, etc. Now it's just if someone doesn't feel that way they don't have to check one of those boxes.

It's always weird to me that people get so worked up about these things that literally do not affect them in any way and don't hurt anyone.

Are you nuts. It spells the end of uptight conservative rule.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

99% of people will fill it out male or female and so you can still use it for data collection, etc. Now it's just if someone doesn't feel that way they don't have to check one of those boxes.

It's always weird to me that people get so worked up about these things that literally do not affect them in any way and don't hurt anyone.

I suppose it probably doesn't matter much, but I don't see the value in denying biology because someone doesn't feel that way. It's a birth certificate. For whatever reason there was some value in recording what sex people were born as. You were born biologically male or female despite however you feel later in life (or intersex, which is what I initially thought the X would have been for and at least makes sense). I really don't care how people want to express gender or break down gender roles. That's mostly all a construct anyway. I do think there's good reason to draw the line at basic biology though.

 

[fskimospy]

I suppose it probably doesn't matter much, but I don't see the value in denying biology because someone doesn't feel that way. It's a birth certificate. For whatever reason there was some value in recording what sex people were born as. You were born biologically male or female despite however you feel later in life (or intersex, which is what I initially thought the X would have been for and at least makes sense). I really don't care how people want to express gender or break down gender roles. That's mostly all a construct anyway. I do think there's good reason to draw the line at basic biology though.

This is for gender, not sex.

 

[Josephus312]

The left is putting their imagination and feelings ahead of the science when it comes to gender.

I don't think you are as ignorant as you are making yourself out to be here. You are just playing an idiot because you like the talking point it provides you.

 

[IronWing]

Really needs a write in blank. Our resident Apache helicopter would be accommodated.

 

[punkncat]

I suppose it probably doesn't matter much, but I don't see the value in denying biology because someone doesn't feel that way. It's a birth certificate. For whatever reason there was some value in recording what sex people were born as. You were born biologically male or female despite however you feel later in life (or intersex, which is what I initially thought the X would have been for and at least makes sense). I really don't care how people want to express gender or break down gender roles. That's mostly all a construct anyway. I do think there's good reason to draw the line at basic biology though.

Well said sir.

Regardless of what gender you identify with doesn't change basic biology. Fact over emotion.

 

[fskimospy]

Well said sir.

Regardless of what gender you identify with doesn't change basic biology. Fact over emotion.

It suspect you do not understand the difference between sex and gender. Sex is your biological sex traits while gender is an expression of social and cultural attitudes and perceptions relating to masculinity or femininity. If you care about facts over emotion then you'll see no problem here as the entry being talked about here does not describe biological sex traits.

 

[EduCat]

You think allowing people to specify what gender they identify as is as dangerous as people pushing unfettered access to weapons of mass death?

You are seriously losing it.

How can an unborn child or baby know what gender it identifies as? Do they even know what pizza is? Have they actually USED pornub?

 

[Josephus312]

How can an unborn child or baby know what gender it identifies as? Do they even know what pizza is? Have they actually USED pornub?

First of all, there is no such thing as an unborn child or baby. It's a fetus.

It can't know any of those things at all, what's your point Lars?

 

[EduCat]

First of all, there is no such thing as an unborn child or baby. It's a fetus.

It can't know any of those things at all, what's your point Lars?

The article says it allows parents to choose X for their newborns. That's not consent!

 

[Josephus312]

The article says it allows parents to choose X for their newborns. That's not consent!

Are you saying that parents need consent from their fetus (or born child)? How would that work?

 

[fskimospy]

How can an unborn child or baby know what gender it identifies as? Do they even know what pizza is? Have they actually USED pornub?

Babies don't fill out their own birth certificates. The primary obstacles to that being their inability to read and lack of fine motor control. It's allowing the parents not to specify a gender for their kid if they don't feel like it.

The more important thing here is really that it gives people the ability to change their gender identification without getting a doctor involved. Seems like a perfectly reasonable change to me and I honestly struggle to understand why anyone would care.

 

[nakedfrog]

Babies don't fill out their own birth certificates. The primary obstacles to that being their inability to read and lack of fine motor control. It's allowing the parents not to specify a gender for their kid if they don't feel like it.

The more important thing here is really that it gives people the ability to change their gender identification without getting a doctor involved. Seems like a perfectly reasonable change to me and I honestly struggle to understand why anyone would care.

They're doing freedom wrong, dammit!

 

[punkncat]

It suspect you do not understand the difference between sex and gender. Sex is your biological sex traits while gender is an expression of social and cultural attitudes and perceptions relating to masculinity or femininity. If you care about facts over emotion then you'll see no problem here as the entry being talked about here does not describe biological sex traits.

No, I am not certain that I see a difference inbetween what sex you are biologically and the reality of your gender. It doesn't mean that I have no understanding of people who relate to or present themselves as another/no gender, but just the saying of it isn't changing anything by way of genetic reality, no matter how you slice it.

I will say that your reply down in #18 resonates with me, and frogs reply afterward as well. It's really none of my business what people do with the freedom to relate themselves any way they want to others.

 

[Vic]

You ever notice how the people who claim to be for small government are always trying to use the government to control people's lives? And can just never mind their own business?
Funny that, right?

 

[cytg111]

I can see myself using an X .. I just tried to install a geforce driver and this spasmatic "geforce experience" wants me to logon to their app with facebook or some other social account so they can leech of my social information. Eeeeverybody is still trying to win that big-data prize.... assholes.... I would cross an X if I was in a none of your fcking business mood.

 

[fskimospy]

No, I am not certain that I see a difference inbetween what sex you are biologically and the reality of your gender. It doesn't mean that I have no understanding of people who relate to or present themselves as another/no gender, but just the saying of it isn't changing anything by way of genetic reality, no matter how you slice it.

Sure, but the distinction being made here isn't about genetics, it's about gender identity. Sex is (basically) genetics. Gender identity is basically culture and how people relate to each other socially. For example in Thailand they recognize additional genders that we don't and they aren't alone, there are plenty of other cultures that have different understandings of gender roles than us even though all humans have the same basic sexual genetics. Another good example would be that people are sometimes born with XXY genes but they appear outwardly male. We treat them as men because that's how they present but they are clearly genetically distinct from other males.

I will say that your reply down in #18 resonates with me, and frogs reply afterward as well. It's really none of my business what people do with the freedom to relate themselves any way they want to others.

I'm glad we can agree! My basic feelings about this stuff is that if you aren't hurting anyone else I don't give a shit what you do. If the city can make a tiny change to allow people to express themselves better then why not?

 

[GoodRevrnd]

This is for gender, not sex.

It suspect you do not understand the difference between sex and gender. Sex is your biological sex traits while gender is an expression of social and cultural attitudes and perceptions relating to masculinity or femininity. If you care about facts over emotion then you'll see no problem here as the entry being talked about here does not describe biological sex traits.

Why would a birth certificate record someone's gender? Part of the problem is the terms are constantly conflated. I imagine in *this* instance it's likely the birth certificate term dates back to a time when sex/gender were used more interchangeably.

Edit: I just checked and the birth certificates do specify 'Sex' so while adding X is reasonable for those biological cases, allowing people to change it as they see fit really doesn't make any sense.

 

[paperfist]

Dear Bill, please stop smiling while you waste my tax dollars on trending twitter topics that you don't understand.