NYC becomes first city to ban trans fats

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NEW YORK ? New York today became the first city in the United States to prohibit trans fats in restaurants, a shift that will affect eateries from the corner deli to the brasserie and ultimately may influence how food is prepared at restaurants around the nation.

The city's board of health unanimously approved the ban, which takes effect July 1. It will bar trans-fat-laden oils and shortenings used for frying and spreads such as margarine that contain the artery-clogging ingredient.

Bakeries and restaurants will have until July 1, 2008 ? an additional 12 months ? to replace trans fats in baked goods such as pie crusts and deep-fried desserts such as doughnuts because it may take more time to find other products that achieve the same texture, health commissioner Thomas Frieden said.

"We know trans fats increase the chance for heart attack, stroke and death, and they don't have to be there," Frieden said. The new rules are "going to make New Yorkers live longer and healthier lives."

The ban will not apply to food served in a manufacturer's original packaging or to foods that contain less than 0.5 grams of trans fats per serving.

In addition to extending the phase-out of trans fats, health officials took other steps to help eateries comply with the changes, Frieden said.

The city will provide a product list and a help line. Additionally, there will be a three-month grace period at the start of both phases of the ban in which violators will not have to pay fines, which start at $200.

There are no plans to test foods for the banned ingredient. To enforce the law, however, inspectors will check labels, Frieden said.

Some restaurant representatives expressed disappointment, saying that even 18 months is too little time to find alternative products and modify recipes.

"It has taken restaurants that have changed two to three years to find alternatives, and the time limit that has been placed here is unrealistic," said Sheila Weiss, director of nutrition policy for the National Restaurant Association.

Charles Hunt, executive vice president of the New York State Restaurant Association, said a voluntary shift instead of a mandatory one would have been effective.

"The demand for the products is going to exceed the supply, and that's going to make it hard for restaurants to comply," said Hunt, adding that smaller eateries may have to raise prices and risk losing customers if trans-fat-free products cost them more. "The restaurant industry in New York is not going to go away based on this, but it doesn't make our jobs any easier."

Dan Fleshler, spokesman for the National Restaurant Association, said his organization will consider possible litigation to challenge the rules.

"We don't think it's a good precedent," he said. "We don't think a local municipal health body has any business banning a product the FDA has already approved."

Hunt agreed that the prohibition of a legal product was troubling.

"What's the next legal product the government says you can't serve ? ice cream?" he asked. "It's a slippery slope."

Frieden said the board has the power to regulate the use of trans fats and added that it was unlikely other food ingredients would require such a ban.

"We're quite certain we'd be able to withstand any legal challenge if there were one," he said. "There is nothing else in our restaurant supply that has the kind of impact trans fats have ? and can be replaced so easily."
 

waggy

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i dont like that. Chicago tried to ban fair gras (goose liver?) and it failed badly.
 

Shawn

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The earth is overpopulated as it is. Let the fatasses die of heart disease like they are supposed to.
 

BlancoNino

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Gotta love the difference in replies here in OT vs P&N. Most over in P&N seem to think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread because customers don't know any better and are somehow ruining society by being fat. It's quite funny.
 

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I guess I'll be the P&Nr then, I actually think this is good and can't wait for it to go national (it will). This and high fruitcose corn syrup are evil evil evil, I'd rather see them banned than cigerattes (as long as you don't smoke around me ;))
 

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Originally posted by: bsobel
I guess I'll be the P&Nr then, I actually think this is good and can't wait for it to go national (it will). This and high fruitcose corn syrup are evil evil evil, I'd rather see them banned than cigerattes (as long as you don't smoke around me ;))

People willingly put it into their body. Nobody is forcing them to eat them. It's obviously what customers want for themselves, who is anybody to tell them differently? Why is it somebody elses business that I want to eat trans fat? Am I somehow physically hurting you or damaging your property? Nope. BTW, I'm not fat and I am pretty health-conscious, and I think this is one of the biggest piles of sh!t I've ever seen.
 

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I love that whole "What next"?! attitude.

Yeah, um, what's the downside of this? "First transfat, then your freedoms!"

That doesn't quite scan, now does it? This is wonderful.
 

fbrdphreak

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Its a nice movie and more helps people who want to eat healthy know that what they're eating is trans-fat free. However I don't give a sh!t if fat-asses want to kill themselves through poor nutrition.

Banning smoking would be better IMO, as smoking affects everyone around the person smoking. Or at least damn restrict the sh!t better, in NC there is just too much damn smoking in public places.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: bsobel
I guess I'll be the P&Nr then, I actually think this is good and can't wait for it to go national (it will). This and high fruitcose corn syrup are evil evil evil, I'd rather see them banned than cigerattes (as long as you don't smoke around me ;))

People willingly put it into their body. Nobody is forcing them to eat them. It's obviously what customers want for themselves, who is anybody to tell them differently? Why is it somebody elses business that I want to eat trans fat? Am I somehow physically hurting you or damaging your property? Nope. BTW, I'm not fat and I am pretty health-conscious, and I think this is one of the biggest piles of sh!t I've ever seen.

Yea, but the truth is they do it because it's what the majority of establishments use because its cheaper. There are much much better alternatives available. As for hurting me, the indirect cost is in medical expenses (same justifications for seatbelt, helmet laws, etc).
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Yea, but the truth is they do it because it's what the majority of establishments use because its cheaper. There are much much better alternatives available. As for hurting me, the indirect cost is in medical expenses (same justifications for seatbelt, helmet laws, etc).

If customers wanted healthier foods and decided that the overall increase in cost was worth it, there would be more healthier restaurants. In fact, there are healthy food restaurants that don't use trans fat along with restaurants with healthy selections that also do not have trans fat.

So you want everyone to change their lives so that YOU don't have to pay more money? Isn't that sort of selfish? Isn't there a bigger underlying problem elsewhere if everyone has to pay for others' medical problems?
 

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This is a good thing. In 20 years people will look back and realise that. Just like when they ban cigarettes (and this is coming from someone who recently quit).
 

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What you people are missing here is the point of banning trans fats is to force fast food restaurants to serve food with out trans fats. If they don't force them or give them an incentive, it will never change, it's like the environmental laws that have been enacted. There is nothing wrong with banning trans fats, fat people will still be fat trans fats or not, the only difference is the types of fats they're consuming. It's not like only fat people eat food with trans fats, people who aren't overweight are effected by them as well. Trans fats are basically cheap fat, there is no excuse for these companies to use higher quality oils except for more profit.
 

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Originally posted by: goku
What you people are missing here is the point of banning trans fats is to force fast food restaurants to serve food with out trans fats. If they don't force them or give them an incentive, it will never change, it's like the environmental laws that have been enacted. There is nothing wrong with banning trans fats, fat people will still be fat trans fats or not, the only difference is the types of fats they're consuming. It's not like only fat people eat food with trans fats, people who aren't overweight are effected by them as well. Trans fats are basically cheap fat, there is no excuse for these companies to use higher quality oils except for more profit.

Educate the people on it. Power of the consumer and the power of education. What if I want those delectable trans fats?

Also, trans fats have differnt melting and scorching temps. Try frying w/ olive oil, doesn't work too well. Trans fat > * as a general purpose cooking grease.
 

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f'ing retarded, the government shouldn't dictate your diet. why don't they ban smoking? thats easily as unhealthy. people should be allowed the free will to at times choose items that may be less healthy to them if it doesn't effect others. the fact that this was even thought up blows my mind.
 

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: bsobel
Yea, but the truth is they do it because it's what the majority of establishments use because its cheaper. There are much much better alternatives available. As for hurting me, the indirect cost is in medical expenses (same justifications for seatbelt, helmet laws, etc).

If customers wanted healthier foods and decided that the overall increase in cost was worth it, there would be more healthier restaurants. In fact, there are healthy food restaurants that don't use trans fat along with restaurants with healthy selections that also do not have trans fat.

So you want everyone to change their lives so that YOU don't have to pay more money? Isn't that sort of selfish? Isn't there a bigger underlying problem elsewhere if everyone has to pay for others' medical problems?
With that logic, we wouldn't have environmental laws since if they people want a cleaner air, the car companies and oil companies will do something about it. :roll: While I'm not for government control, there are certain things that should be done in order to basically force evolution of these technologies, otherwise everything will become stagnant.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Originally posted by: goku
What you people are missing here is the point of banning trans fats is to force fast food restaurants to serve food with out trans fats. If they don't force them or give them an incentive, it will never change, it's like the environmental laws that have been enacted. There is nothing wrong with banning trans fats, fat people will still be fat trans fats or not, the only difference is the types of fats they're consuming. It's not like only fat people eat food with trans fats, people who aren't overweight are effected by them as well. Trans fats are basically cheap fat, there is no excuse for these companies to use higher quality oils except for more profit.

Educate the people on it. Power of the consumer and the power of education. What if I want those delectable trans fats?

Also, trans fats have differnt melting and scorching temps. Try frying w/ olive oil, doesn't work too well. Trans fat > * as a general purpose cooking grease.
Whats wrong with olive oil? I eat my breakfast everyday by frying my eggs in olive oil, have no problems here, much better than using butter or canola oil.


more info:
http://www.oliveoilsource.com/cooking_olive_oil.htm
 

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Originally posted by: shoRunner
f'ing retarded, the government shouldn't dictate your diet. why don't they ban smoking? thats easily as unhealthy. people should be allowed the free will to at times choose items that may be less healthy to them if it doesn't effect others. the fact that this was even thought up blows my mind.

because smoking is biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig money in terms of tax revenue.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: goku
What you people are missing here is the point of banning trans fats is to force fast food restaurants to serve food with out trans fats. If they don't force them or give them an incentive, it will never change, it's like the environmental laws that have been enacted. There is nothing wrong with banning trans fats, fat people will still be fat trans fats or not, the only difference is the types of fats they're consuming. It's not like only fat people eat food with trans fats, people who aren't overweight are effected by them as well. Trans fats are basically cheap fat, there is no excuse for these companies to use higher quality oils except for more profit.

Wow, we actually agree on something. And I don't feel as dirty as when Dave and I do... Weird.
 

bsobel

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So you want everyone to change their lives so that YOU don't have to pay more money? Isn't that sort of selfish? Isn't there a bigger underlying problem elsewhere if everyone has to pay for others' medical problems?

Err, the 'paying' more comes from my medical costs substitzing those of people who can't afford medical insurance but require medical treatment. It's it selfish of them to be creating the burden in the first place and not taking steps to dimminish it?
 

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: bsobel
Yea, but the truth is they do it because it's what the majority of establishments use because its cheaper. There are much much better alternatives available. As for hurting me, the indirect cost is in medical expenses (same justifications for seatbelt, helmet laws, etc).

If customers wanted healthier foods and decided that the overall increase in cost was worth it, there would be more healthier restaurants. In fact, there are healthy food restaurants that don't use trans fat along with restaurants with healthy selections that also do not have trans fat.

So you want everyone to change their lives so that YOU don't have to pay more money? Isn't that sort of selfish? Isn't there a bigger underlying problem elsewhere if everyone has to pay for others' medical problems?


Honestly, what part of your life are you changing now that trans fats are banned in New York? Unless you own a restaurant, this doesn't affect you in any negative manner. At most, you can feel more assured that the food you eat isn't going straight to your arteries to encourage cardiovascular issues.