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NY Times endorses McCain and Clinton

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...olitics_endorsement_dc

The New York Times on Thursday endorsed Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton and Republican Sen. John McCain for their party's nominations to contest the U.S. presidential election in November.

In selecting Clinton, a New York senator, the influential newspaper's editorial board said her experience gave her an advantage over her chief rival in the Democratic race, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, though on the major issues they were not that different.

"Hearing her talk about the presidency, her policies and answers for America's big problems, we are hugely impressed by the depth of her knowledge, by the force of her intellect and by the breadth of, yes, her experience," the newspaper said.

During her years in the Senate, Clinton has immersed herself in national security issues and has won the respect of world leaders and many in the American military, the newspaper said, adding that she would be a strong commander in chief.

Clinton is embroiled in a tight nomination battle with Obama, who would be the first African American president if elected. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has been running in third place.

The newspaper urged Clinton to take the lead in changing the tone of the campaign, in which the Obama and Clinton camps have been trading harsh accusations in a bitter public fight.

"It is not good for the country, the Democratic Party or for Mrs. Clinton, who is often tagged as divisive," the newspaper said.

In backing McCain, the Times editorial board said it had strong disagreements with all the Republicans running for the presidency, but among them the Arizona senator was an easy choice.

McCain's chief rivals for the Republican nomination are former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

"Senator John McCain of Arizona is the only Republican who promises to end the George Bush style of governing from and on behalf of a small, angry fringe. With a record of working across the aisle to develop sound bipartisan legislation, he would offer a choice to a broader range of Americans than the rest of the Republican field," the newspaper said.

The Times said McCain has shown he has the character to stand on principle, that he was an early advocate for battling global warming and he was one of the first prominent Republicans to point out how badly the war in Iraq was being managed.

" A genuine war hero among Republicans who proclaim their zeal to be commander in chief, Mr. McCain argues passionately that a country's treatment of prisoners in the worst of times says a great deal about its character," the newspaper said.

The New York paper said it could not endorse Giuliani, describing the city's former mayor as a "narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man" whose "arrogance and bad judgment are breathtaking."

Giuliani brushed off the paper's portrayal when asked about it during a Republican debate in Boca Raton, Florida.

"I think there are some serious ideological differences," Guiliani said. "That probably was some of the nicest language they've written about me in the last six months."




As I have said, Clinton has the experience and the plan. McCain is not a neo-con, hateful radical bent on destroying our financial backbone and our Democracy.
Clinton and McCain are probably the two best candidates from their respective parties.
 

RightIsWrong

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Sylvester Stallone supports McCain also. I guess I'd better jump on that bandwagon also since someone else said so. :roll:
 

StageLeft

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The New York paper said it could not endorse Giuliani, describing the city's former mayor as a "narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man" whose "arrogance and bad judgment are breathtaking."

Haha, just what all of us think, too! He is done anyway.
 
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Why do they keep quoting "experience" as the main reason to vote for Hillary? The only "experience" that she has over Obama is living in the White House.
 

bamacre

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Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why do they keep quoting "experience" as the main reason to vote for Hillary? The only "experience" that she has over Obama is living in the White House.
She can take a lobbyist bribe faster then any other candidate up there. ;)

She also has tons of experience dealing with REAL issues.. for example Flag Burning and Video game violence and voting for winless wars.

 

magomago

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.

Ding Ding.


What I think will be interesting is IF she wins, to see how techs will start to justify all of her actions even if they are poor ones.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.

Yup I am just outright shocked, shocked I tell you, the zionist NYT endorses the war candidates. I never saw it coming.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Sylvester Stallone supports McCain also. I guess I'd better jump on that bandwagon also since someone else said so. :roll:

So in your mind Rambo and the NY Times have comparable political acumen? Or do you just feel that endorsements in general should weigh very little in a person's decision on who to vote for? Because if that's your position, I'd tend to agree with you.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Sylvester Stallone supports McCain also. I guess I'd better jump on that bandwagon also since someone else said so. :roll:

So in your mind Rambo and the NY Times have comparable political acumen? Or do you just feel that endorsements in general should weigh very little in a person's decision on who to vote for? Because if that's your position, I'd tend to agree with you.

Definitely the latter.

I'm tired of having to hear how the people of this nation (and the world actually) are to vote for someone or buy something because <insert celebrity/"expert" here> says that it is the best thing for you. Do your own research and make up your mind for yourselves FFS people.
 

piasabird

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How is the NY Times a credible source?

I would not call their publication fair and balanced or even objective.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why do they keep quoting "experience" as the main reason to vote for Hillary? The only "experience" that she has over Obama is living in the White House.

And "living" in the Arkansas Governor's mansion for over a decade. That's about 20 years of living with the most powerful man in the state and then the nation (or world.) Of course those are Laura Bush's credential's too, and I wouldn't vote for her either if that was all she brought to the table. But do you think Laura is as connected with the issues as Hillary is? I think Hillary is incredibly ambitious and spent her years in the executive offices learning everything she could and being involved in every discussion she could. I don't discount her years as first lady as irrelevant.
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: bamacre
Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.

Yup I am just outright shocked, shocked I tell you, the zionist NYT endorses the war candidates. I never saw it coming.

The Global Jewish Conspiracy strikes again! :roll:
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: bamacre
Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.

Yup I am just outright shocked, shocked I tell you, the zionist NYT endorses the war candidates. I never saw it coming.

The Global Jewish Conspiracy strikes again! :roll:

Zionist does not equal Jewish. Zionism is a political idea, Jewishness is a religion. Surely you see the difference. :roll:

It is no coincidence that Hillary went to New York to anchor her political power base for her presidential bid.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: GrGr

Zionist does not equal Jewish. Zionism is a political idea, Jewishness is a religion. Surely you see the difference. :roll:

Actually the religion is called Judaism.

Ism's in my opinion are not good. - Ferris Bueller
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: loki8481
in fairness to the NYTimes judgment, McCain was kind of a hottie when he was younger... maybe that blindsided them :p

Holy crap! He was cuuuute!
 

alchemize

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In McCain vs. Hillary, I'd surely vote McCain. Not true with Obama vs. McCain (or anyone other R). I think this is true for many independents and moderate republicans.
 

teclis1023

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Yup I am just outright shocked, shocked I tell you, the zionist NYT endorses the war candidates. I never saw it coming.

:confused:

Well son of a bitch. Hey Jonks, guess he caught us again. I just HATE how these guys catch on to our plans for global domination.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: loki8481
in fairness to the NYTimes judgment, McCain was kind of a hottie when he was younger... maybe that blindsided them :p

Holy crap! He was cuuuute!

calm yourself bro.. that "cute" dude is 71 yrs old now! lol... :D
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: bamacre
Yay, more war, higher deficits, and higher taxes.

PSA: Don't stand up yet, please remain on all fours and buy more lube.

Yup I am just outright shocked, shocked I tell you, the zionist NYT endorses the war candidates. I never saw it coming.

The Global Jewish Conspiracy strikes again! :roll:

Zionist does not equal Jewish. Zionism is a political idea, Jewishness is a religion. Surely you see the difference. :roll:

It is no coincidence that Hillary went to New York to anchor her political power base for her presidential bid.

Because Jews live in New York? But, I thought Zionism and Judaism had nothing to do with each other? Didn't you just say that?

Sorry if I'm confused, but you're equating Zionism with Jews when it benefits your argument, but when I call you out on it you say the exact opposite.
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: piasabird
How is the NY Times a credible source?

I would not call their publication fair and balanced or even objective.

Fair and Balanced? I guess you need to wait for the Fox news endorsement :D
 

Thump553

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I hope someone who subscribes to the NY Times can post the full portion of this editorial dealing with Guiliani. A bigger, and much harsher, part of the editorial was in my morning paper.

Guiliani's gone after the Florida primary-hopefully.
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: piasabird
How is the NY Times a credible source?

I would not call their publication fair and balanced or even objective.

Umm.. Its an editorial, its not supposed to be balanced. Its the opinion of the editors of the newspaper.