NY Target store rejects unionization

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Workers at a Target store in New York voted against joining the country’s largest retail union Friday night, but the union said it would press on and broaden its push to represent the company’s workers nationwide.

The United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500 also said it would contest the results and ask the federal government to order a new election, alleging that Target illegally intimidated workers. Target denied the union’s allegations.

Both sides said the workers at Target's Valley Stream store voted 137-85 against unionization. A “yes” vote would have made the store the first of the company’s 1,700 locations to bring in organized labor.

“Target did everything they could to deny these workers a chance at the American Dream,” said Bruce W. Both, president of United and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500, in a statement. “However, the workers’ pursuit of a better life and the ability to house and feed their families is proving more powerful. These workers are not backing down from this fight. They are demanding another election.”

Target spokeswoman Molly Snyder said the company acted legally.

“Target absolutely believes we have followed all the policies and procedures that are outlined by the National Labor Relations Board in a completely lawful manner,” Snyder said.

In response to the vote, the union planned to begin a campaign called “Target: Democracy” at the company’s other 26 stores in the New York area and will begin coordinating a nationwide campaign with other union locals in major U.S. cities.

“Today is merely the end of the first round of what will undoubtedly be a 12-round fight for fairness, democracy, justice and change for all Target workers,” Both said.

Since two-dozen workers from the Valley Stream store approached the union with their grievances regarding hours and pay in February, Target employees from around the country have been reaching out to the labor organization, according to Patrick Purcell, spokesman for the UFCW. The union consists of mostly grocery workers, but also represents employees at retailers that include clothier H&M.

The vote comes at a time when union membership in the retail industry has waned. In 1983, 1.2 million retail workers were union members. Today, that number is 703,000, with more than half of those workers in grocery stores, according to the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union.

At the same time, the quality of retail jobs has fallen. The median hourly wage for retail salespeople has dropped 3 percent since 2006 after adjusting for inflation. And shrinking hours for many workers make it hard to earn a living wage or qualify for benefits.

“Workers are seeing their hours getting cut and their take-home pay, while basic costs for gas and food are soaring,” says Burt Flickinger III, president of retail consultancy Strategic Resource Group. “They’re increasingly frustrated.”

Workers at the store in Valley Stream are upset about hourly wage increases amounting to eight cents or less, says Patrick Purcell, the union spokesman. Some employees also say their hours have been cut from 30 per week to fewer than 10. Part-timers must bank at least 20 hours a week, on average, to qualify for benefits. A Target spokeswoman says hourly workers at the Valley Stream store average 24 hours a week.

Charmain Brown, who’s worked at Target for six years, supports the effort to organize. “I feel like if we get a union it would be better because we’d have a voice, somebody to stand up for us,” he says.

Betsy Wilson, a single mom of two who works about 21 hours a week at Target, disagrees. “What do I need a union to fight for me for?” she says.

Other retail workers also are putting up a fight. A new group called the Organization United for Respect at Wal-Mart, partly funded by the UFCW, coordinated a small protest at the company’s Bentonville, Ark., headquarters Thursday. And a union representing 4,000 Macy’s workers in New York, including those at the flagship store, authorized a strike on Monday when the department store tried to get concessions on wages, benefits and hours. A tentative agreement was reached on Thursday.

“We haven’t seen such unrest in organized labor (in the retail sector) since the 1970s,” Flickinger says.

Much of that unrest has been focused on Target’s competitor, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Over the past decade, the UFCW has failed several times to unionize Wal-Mart stores. In 2004, the company shuttered a Canadian store after it became the first in North America to win union certification. In 2000, 11 workers in the meatpacking department at a store in Jacksonville, Tex., voted to join the UFCW. Soon after, Wal-Mart began stocking only pre-wrapped meats, effectively eliminating the positions.

Don Schroeder, a Mintz Levin labor attorney who has represented corporations in similar battles for 18 years, said Target has been successful at defeating union election petitions in the past, even in union strongholds like Detroit. Unions generally don’t file a petition unless they feel they have the vote firmed up, but with a high-profile company like Target, he says, labor may be willing to take a chance.

“They know if they win one, it could be a domino effect,” he says.

so.... if they don't like the wages and the hours, then find a new job?
no one is forcing them to work at target.

or perhaps they know that their unskilled jobs can be replaced at a moment's notice, and therefore have no leverage to negotiate higher wages on their own (except for that person quoted in the article who apparently "gets it").

news flash, given the economic downturn, a LOT of people have not gotten wage increases, and if you take into account inflation, salaries have decreased as well. why do they think they shouldn't be affected by this?
when the economy is doing bad, hours and wages get cut. it's not rocket science.
 
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ProfJohn

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"store voted 137-85 against unionization."

That is not even close.

The union lost plain and simple. Plus anyone who works in labor management will tell you that if the union had won the employees MIGHT have gotten a small pay cut only to lose it all in union dues.
 

waggy

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WTF PEOPLE SHOULD BOYCUT! TARGET is a shitty store and won't let them union!




its funny. they do the same shit walmart does but they don't get bashed for it hah
 

Jhhnn

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so.... if they don't like the wages and the hours, then find a new job?
no one is forcing them to work at target.

Like that's easy, or even possible with U3 at 9%, U6 at 17%.

Anybody who has a job is doing what they can to keep it, even when it means getting screwed. It's the trickledown utopia that righties have believed in for over 30 years, and now they have it.

They can even spout the same lame bullshit as they have all along, pretending that they haven't escaped reality to believe it & say it at all.
 

JSt0rm

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These people are dumb as rocks. They vote against there own interests. I bet polled the majority of them belong to the teaparty too.
 

ProfJohn

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These people are dumb as rocks. They vote against there own interests. I bet polled the majority of them belong to the teaparty too.
How does a union represent their interests??

A union only represents its own interest which is to add more members and more dues.
 

JSt0rm

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How does a union represent their interests??

A union only represents its own interest which is to add more members and more dues.


Well I dont think all unions are good and I dont think all unions are bad. But I do think people at the lowest income bracket are there for a reason and I wouldnt take anything that they do as some kind of intelligent referendum :eek:
 

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Question, why is it that if a majority of people in my workplace want a union we must all unionize and be represented by a third party that some may not wish to be?
And the employer MUST negotiate with that third party.

The workplace is not a democracy.

If the people that voted for a union want a union, why don't they just start one?

I have no problems with unions as long as they're not afforded any special protections by the government.
 

soundforbjt

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Question, why is it that if a majority of people in my workplace want a union we must all unionize and be represented by a third party that some may not wish to be?

If you don't want to be represented by the union, you could find a different place to work.
 

yllus

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Question, why is it that if a majority of people in my workplace want a union we must all unionize and be represented by a third party that some may not wish to be? And the employer MUST negotiate with that third party.

I suppose the rationale is that even if you're independent, you'd almost certainly end up with the same pay and benefits as the unionized workers, so the union should be compensated by you for what amounts to negotiating on your behalf?
 

pcgeek11

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They voted and the Union Lost. They obviously did not want a union...

Pretty damn simple.
 

cubby1223

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Here's how I see it:

Unions in general either (A) do not work in the best interests of their members, or (B) have a very serious image problem.

See, all you blind union supporters in this thread... you do realize that just bitching at a higher decibel level, is not solving either of the above problem possibilities.
 

nonlnear

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Are there specific allegations of abuse in the election process that the UCW is making or are they just mad that somebody somewhere didn't want them? If there was a vote 0f 137-85 and the UCW is crying foul, then there must have been some pretty egregious offenses needed to skew the vote that severely. I want to know what they are. I'll be waiting...
 

waggy

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These people are dumb as rocks. They vote against there own interests. I bet polled the majority of them belong to the teaparty too.

i really doubt the union would have done jack for them.

I worked at Eagles (a supermarket) as a cashier. i was making min wage. I also had to PAY into a union. I asked other cashiers what the union did and why we were paying into it (it was like $4 a paycheck) nobody knew since they didn't do shit for us.
 

HeXen

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hell i work in outdoor construction and even none of us want a union.
 

Spikesoldier

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LOL, unions. Outdated parasites that in modern times do nothing to help the people paying the dues.

Whats even more LOL is a blue state voting down unionization. I thought all you lib-tards thought alike?
 

Jhhnn

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Unionization of retailing giants is a tough row to hoe, simply because management can and likely may just close any unionized stores, a la WalMart, make up the difference elsewhere. Actual investment in the facilities is relatively small.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, and management needs do little to plant the seeds of that FUD. So workers are caught between a rock & a hard place, particularly in states where labor laws are lax & enforcement minimal. In today's economy, they'll likely vote to keep what they have, simply because other prospects are even worse.

It's the trickledown false utopia that employers want & righties voted for over the last 30 years, spreading thru the whole economy like a cancer. People who think it's the right way to go just haven't been bent over themselves... not yet, but they will be. It's just a matter of time if current trends continue.

We're not supposed to figure that out, of course. Those of us who accept the word from the top as gospel never will until it's too late, which is what the guys at the top are counting on, using their mouthpieces to achieve.

Meanwhile, Y'all just blame Obama, and believe, believe, believe...
 

Double Trouble

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Good for the workers, they voted not to allow a parasitic worthless organization to take over the store. Now they can work and compete on their own merit instead of having a union sucking up their dues without doing anything useful.
 

JSt0rm

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LOL, unions. Outdated parasites that in modern times do nothing to help the people paying the dues.

Whats even more LOL is a blue state voting down unionization. I thought all you lib-tards thought alike?

More liberals are educated then conservatives. As said already these people have little to no higher brain function going on.
 

Double Trouble

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More liberals are educated then conservatives. As said already these people have little to no higher brain function going on.

For starters, educated =!= intelligent. In addition, whether those folks are intelligent or not, they are the ones who should decide what it best for them. Your elitist hubris is showing.......