NY State Sues Trump Foundation

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dawp

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You really should stop butt-chugging your Haldol.
you'd be better served by ignoring the troll, I've yet to see any posts of substance from him and I doubt he's even in the US by his poor grammar.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

Right there are sufficient grounds for impeachment and if it were Obama it would have happened. "Hillary this and Hillary that"- Hillary isn't President, there's no suggestion that this was done, but if she were and this happened she'd be impeached and removed by now.

I'm not a big fan of Hillary for a number of reasons but criminality and falsified crises are not among them. The utility of Hillary is that she provides a distraction for the con to fleece his mark, that is Trump and Republicans.
 

fskimospy

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"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

Right there are sufficient grounds for impeachment and if it were Obama it would have happened. "Hillary this and Hillary that"- Hillary isn't President, there's no suggestion that this was done, but if she were and this happened she'd be impeached and removed by now.

I'm not a big fan of Hillary for a number of reasons but criminality and falsified crises are not among them. The utility of Hillary is that she provides a distraction for the con to fleece his mark, that is Trump and Republicans.

Yes, can you imagine the reaction of conservatives if the Clinton Foundation was found to be coordinating its resources behind the scenes to help Hillary's campaign? They would be calling for her to go to prison (more than they already did, haha).

Also, I know 'self dealing' is the term people use when we're talking about misusing charity funds for personal things but in reality 'self dealing' means 'stealing from your charity'. It's embezzlement, which is something people go to jail for.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Everyone cared so little Bengahzi investigation went on for 2 years 4 months. You are such a putz

Bengahzi, emails, selling all our uranium to Russia, and so on. Someone of average intelligence should be able to discern these as diversions. Unfortunately, intelligence is in question in some cases but the irrational hatred to embrace anything and everything false is not.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Yes, can you imagine the reaction of conservatives if the Clinton Foundation was found to be coordinating its resources behind the scenes to help Hillary's campaign? They would be calling for her to go to prison (more than they already did, haha).

Also, I know 'self dealing' is the term people use when we're talking about misusing charity funds for personal things but in reality 'self dealing' means 'stealing from your charity'. It's embezzlement, which is something people go to jail for.

Our state has laws regarding that and I looked them up just to make sure there wasn't some bizarre exception for charities and there's none. What the public is lacking is evidence that Trump was involved, and note "public" knowledge. The applicable penalties for such a large amount of funds can result in more than 8 to 25 years in prison. Parole and community service are not options. This is jail time without options and no Federal pardon. Oh, that doesn't include the other things that might apply like various frauds.
 

ch33zw1z

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Everyone cared so little Bengahzi investigation went on for 2 years 4 months. You are such a putz

It's the standard Con playbook. The aren't actually concerned about these things, just that their team wins.
 

fskimospy

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Our state has laws regarding that and I looked them up just to make sure there wasn't some bizarre exception for charities and there's none. What the public is lacking is evidence that Trump was involved, and note "public" knowledge. The applicable penalties for such a large amount of funds can result in more than 8 to 25 years in prison. Parole and community service are not options. This is jail time without options and no Federal pardon. Oh, that doesn't include the other things that might apply like various frauds.

The public is not lacking evidence that Trump is involved!!! We literally have a note in his own handwriting directing Foundation funds to be used in the service of his private resort.

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Not to mention that the board of the 'charity' hadn't met in like 20 years and it was entirely controlled by Trump himself.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The public is not lacking evidence that Trump is involved!!! We literally have a note in his own handwriting directing Foundation funds to be used in the service of his private resort.

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Not to mention that the board of the 'charity' hadn't met in like 20 years and it was entirely controlled by Trump himself.

Thanks, I was not aware of that. That's a class "C" felony right there. If the total documentation shows at least 1 million then it's "Class B" and Trump MUST serve time in prison.

We suspect many things regarding Trump and Russia but Mueller isn't leaking and in any legitimate court would not send Trump to jail based on what you and I can demonstrate, at least until this. There are civil repercussions and an ace card in case of pardon at the federal level. Even we non-prosecutors can see the importance of strategy and tactics when it comes to prosecuting a President.
 

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Bengahzi, emails, selling all our uranium to Russia, and so on. Someone of average intelligence should be able to discern these as diversions. Unfortunately, intelligence is in question in some cases but the irrational hatred to embrace anything and everything false is not.

Really..

Uranium..

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fskimospy

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Thanks, I was not aware of that. That's a class "C" felony right there. If the total documentation shows at least 1 million then it's "Class B" and Trump MUST serve time in prison.

We suspect many things regarding Trump and Russia but Mueller isn't leaking and in any legitimate court would not send Trump to jail based on what you and I can demonstrate, at least until this. There are civil repercussions and an ace card in case of pardon at the federal level. Even we non-prosecutors can see the importance of strategy and tactics when it comes to prosecuting a President.

While whether or not a president can be federally indicted as long as he is president Trump is certainly immune from criminal prosecution by New York State. His kids aren't though, and he isn't as soon as he's out of office. The suit NYS filed is a civil one, which is something he can't avoid though. Depending on how much shady shit he's still doing with his charity they can prosecute him later on some of these charges so long as the statute of limitations doesn't run out on them.
 

Moonbeam

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I wonder the same thing myself. Hillary has committed so many crimes, yet nobody cares.

Sad.
Don’t be sad. People who can’t deal with reality aren’t so much sad as they are afraid to face their own self judgment. Imagine allowing a criminal Hillary in your midst and not bringing her to justice, all the while telling yourself that you care about justice. This fear of facing themselves over this hypocrisy is what keeps them blind. You need, I think, some way to tell them they are shouldn’t worry if they are wrong. The crime of being wrong is all in their head. You can be wrong and go right on living. Their lives will be even better. It’s easer to relax when you don’t have to waste energy defending against lies. How to help like that however iis hard to figure out
 

Hayabusa Rider

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While whether or not a president can be federally indicted as long as he is president Trump is certainly immune from criminal prosecution by New York State. His kids aren't though, and he isn't as soon as he's out of office. The suit NYS filed is a civil one, which is something he can't avoid though. Depending on how much shady shit he's still doing with his charity they can prosecute him later on some of these charges so long as the statute of limitations doesn't run out on them.

The statute of limitations is 6 years in this case (Google is my friend). If Trump is not reelected or is removed within that time then he's fair game. That's a long time to sweat assuming he possesses sufficient sentience to grasp his predicament.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Don’t be sad. People who can’t deal with reality aren’t so much sad as they are afraid to face their own self judgment. Imagine allowing a criminal Hillary in your midst and not bringing her to justice, all the while telling yourself that you care about justice. This fear of facing themselves over this hypocrisy is what keeps them blind. You need, I think, some way to tell them they are shouldn’t worry if they are wrong. The crime of being wrong is all in their head. You can be wrong and go right on living. Their lives will be even better. It’s easer to relax when you don’t have to waste energy defending against lies. How to help like that however iis hard to figure out

I am of the opinion that we don't have one set universe so much as 8 billion variations on a theme, which our mind's eye perceives. In his universe, #5,873,845,273 lets say, Hillary IS guilty because he is the god in that private domain. It is self-evident like gravity. His reality does not allow for the possibility it might be otherwise.

"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
 

fskimospy

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The statute of limitations is 6 years in this case (Google is my friend). If Trump is not reelected or is removed within that time then he's fair game. That's a long time to sweat assuming he possesses sufficient sentience to grasp his predicament.

Sadly the damning Fisher House memo was from 2007 so it's too late for that. There appear to be other offenses he carried out during the campaign however that could land him in hot water.
 

pauldun170

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Why does it matter how the Trump Foundation used its resources? Or stated another way, why can’t Trump do what he wants to with money that was his to begin with? The basic answer is that in transferring the money to the foundation, he agreed to give it away for the benefit of the public and receive a private tax benefit in return. Charities make a deal with society: allow us to forgo paying certain taxes (and give us the ability to provide tax deductions to individual donors) in return for providing some public benefit. Funds used for private purposes, including political aspirations, do not benefit the public and thus violate the terms of the deal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-how-private-charities-can-be-used-ncna883516
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Sadly the damning Fisher House memo was from 2007 so it's too late for that. There appear to be other offenses he carried out during the campaign however that could land him in hot water.

This is where the utility of a civil case is highlighted. In order to prosecute there will be an investigation. There is no prohibition on the part of prosecutors using facts discovered to build a criminal case. Our AG office can go through as much documentation as they desire.
 

Jaskalas

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If you have a handwritten note by Hillary Clinton directing the Clinton Foundation to illegally use its funds to settle disputes for her private business by all means link it! Otherwise, I assume you fully support New York's lawsuit against him along with its referrals of its finding to the appropriate federal agencies for potential prosecution?

I'd say the Clintons were smart enough to skirt the law. If not actually then practically as the results speak for themselves. For example, it was middle men who paid a foreign agent to use Russian propaganda that then influenced the election. But because she didn't sign a paper or leave recordings directly implicating her in personally committing the acts - no big deal.

Trump however, if you put him in a room full of people he'd be the dumbest 9 times out of 10. Sometimes there'll be a newborn, right? So of course we get proof of him or his family dealing and making moves. Unfortunately for them some of those moves may be illegal and now the State of NY can "go to town" on them.
 

fskimospy

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I'd say the Clintons were smart enough to skirt the law. If not actually then practically as the results speak for themselves. For example, it was middle men who paid a foreign agent to use Russian propaganda that then influenced the election. But because she didn't sign a paper or leave recordings directly implicating her in personally committing the acts - no big deal.

Trump however, if you put him in a room full of people he'd be the dumbest 9 times out of 10. Sometimes there'll be a newborn, right? So of course we get proof of him or his family dealing and making moves. Unfortunately for them some of those moves may be illegal and now the State of NY can "go to town" on them.

Had Clinton hired Steele herself that would also have been 100% legal. It's no big deal no matter what as Steele was paid market prices for his work. So if by 'skirting' the law you mean 'fully complying with both the letter and the spirit of the law' then sure.
 
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I'd say the Clintons were smart enough to skirt the law. If not actually then practically as the results speak for themselves. For example, it was middle men who paid a foreign agent to use Russian propaganda that then influenced the election. But because she didn't sign a paper or leave recordings directly implicating her in personally committing the acts - no big deal.

Trump however, if you put him in a room full of people he'd be the dumbest 9 times out of 10. Sometimes there'll be a newborn, right? So of course we get proof of him or his family dealing and making moves. Unfortunately for them some of those moves may be illegal and now the State of NY can "go to town" on them.
It all about the feelz with no facts, huh.
 

zinfamous

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you'd be better served by ignoring the troll, I've yet to see any posts of substance from him and I doubt he's even in the US by his poor grammar.

I was actually saving that one for the next compuwiz reality abortion, but I just couldn't wait. :\
 

Jhhnn

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I'd say the Clintons were smart enough to skirt the law. If not actually then practically as the results speak for themselves. For example, it was middle men who paid a foreign agent to use Russian propaganda that then influenced the election. But because she didn't sign a paper or leave recordings directly implicating her in personally committing the acts - no big deal.

Trump however, if you put him in a room full of people he'd be the dumbest 9 times out of 10. Sometimes there'll be a newborn, right? So of course we get proof of him or his family dealing and making moves. Unfortunately for them some of those moves may be illegal and now the State of NY can "go to town" on them.

Damned Clintons just have to be guilty of something, right?
 

SMOGZINN

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While whether or not a president can be federally indicted as long as he is president Trump is certainly immune from criminal prosecution by New York State.

Wait, is there a serious argument that the President is literally above the law and can not be held accountable for anything except by Congress? The judicial branch has no checks on the President because he is able to freely ignore them as long as Congress doesn't move against him?