NY & NYC Liberals go full Socialist. Raise min wage for JUST fast food workers

[TheSlamma]

Why?

So wait, the guy who wants humans to "evolve" past salary fairness comparisons wants the evolutionary train to just pull the E-brake when it comes to a rudimentary skill set that WILL be replaced by robots by the time we hit 2020?

 

[ivwshane]

You are very unlikely to gain more skills to be able to progress. If you had a society doing jobs that give very little in terms of skills, you will have a stagnant economy.

Same reason laying brick does not give you a very productive path to becoming a physics professor. The skills you gain laying brick are not likely to lend to a furthering of physics knowledge.

What you want are people who flip burgers to gain enough capital to further their education and skills to become more productive and earn more money.

No, what I am asking is why can't flipping burgers be a career? Clearly a career (as in people who do a particular job for a living and earn a living wage) isn't skill or difficulty based as there are plenty of careers where the skill required is low and the difficulty is also low.

Again it seems we have created artificial constructs that dictate what is and isn't a career, which to me is completely illogical.

 

[TheSlamma]

No, what I am asking is why can't flipping burgers be a career? Clearly a career (as in people who do a particular job for a living and earn a living wage) isn't skill or difficulty based as there are plenty of careers where the skill required is low and the difficulty is also low.

Again it seems we have created artificial constructs that dictate what is and isn't a career, which to me is completely illogical.

Career:
an occupation undertaken for a significant period of a person's life and with opportunities for progress.

The reason the Louie Anderson character in Coming to America is funny is because the premise of making a career out of fast food, it's been satire for a long time.

I love that scene.. it's the first one that comes up for me on a Youtube search too, how about that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakQO2iHY08

 

[Fern]

No, what I am asking is why can't flipping burgers be a career? Clearly a career (as in people who do a particular job for a living and earn a living wage) isn't skill or difficulty based as there are plenty of careers where the skill required is low and the difficulty is also low.
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And what would those careers be?

Fern

 

[michal1980]

And what would those careers be?

Fern

singe patty
double patty
triple patty

 

[nexus5rocks]

That sounds like socialism.

Sounds like being responsible.

 

[Vic]

liberals have no problems with illegals lowering wages for farm hands, but try to pay a burger flipper min wage and they go all physco, foaming and frothing at the mouth yelling about a living wage.

Like you actually give a shit about what farm hands make..

 

[fskimospy]

Why NYC?

- It's going into effect there first.

- NYC is smaller and more manageable data set then the entire state.

- I strongly suspect that the city has better data than the state itself which would include rural areas etc that may not keep or report reliable data. Most cities require business permits for all businesses within their limits. Counties frequently do not. hence,. cities usually have better to draw from.

- By all means if state wide data is available let's look at it. I thought I was being reasonable and asking for a smaller more manageable data set.

The reason I asked is that the dataset is likely highly unrepresentative of the state as a whole, which is part of the problem.

About 15-16 months ago. Stayed with a friend. Was on 6th IIRC, near Radio City Music hall and Carnegie Hall. There were deli's etc at street level to handle the lunch crowd. About 2 blocks West there were tons of local places, Vietnamese, Chinese etc. A block or two East I'd grab a gyro from one of the Halal places. IIRC correctly I saw no franchises there.
good idea, but let's not concern troll.

Midtown? My condolences, haha. There are in fact zillions of franchises there. Funny thing, the NYT has an article today about how high rents are chasing out all the bodegas you mention and replacing them with franchises as I said.

http://nyti.ms/1M1DS0q

I don't think it is per se, but it seems discriminatory to target it at such a small population. I suspect they'll need a good reason to do so, and as I mentioned I've not heard of one.

Actually it's targeted at one sector specifically because of the scope of NYS labor law.

I don't think the strength or size is of any benefit to individual franchisees. Brand recognition, quality control (cough, cough) are. Obviously, franchisees are paying the exorbitant costs for the "name". I suppose one could argue support and supplies, but you're paying quite a bit for those (and I think "support" is quite arguable.) "Support" shouldn't be confused with subjugation. As a franchisee you'll do what your told and pay what they say.

Fern

Just saying that such benefits are an explicit selling point by McDonalds.

 

[PokerGuy]

Like you actually give a sh*t about what farm hands make..

I think his point is valid. If you have some actual facts to counter his point, feel free to bring those up, otherwise, whether he personally cares about what the farm hands make is not relevant.

 

[ivwshane]

It's funny because you seem to know the definition of a career but you are unable to apply it to a real world scenario. Or do you actually believe there are no supervisor or manager positions along with a host of other positions that keep fast food restaurants running?

I don't know if were trying to be funny or cute but you came off, instead, looking like an idiot

Career:
an occupation undertaken for a significant period of a person's life and with opportunities for progress.

The reason the Louie Anderson character in Coming to America is funny is because the premise of making a career out of fast food, it's been satire for a long time.

I love that scene.. it's the first one that comes up for me on a Youtube search too, how about that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakQO2iHY08

 

[PokerGuy]

There are two separate issues here. First, raising the minimum wage, and second is how they are arbitrarily applying such a raise to a narrowly defined subset of employees.

While I disagree with raising the minimum wage to $15, I think that's best left up to local areas or cities. If NYC wants to do that, have at it. I have a much bigger problem with the second issue -- how this is being applied to an arbitrary group of people without any particularly good reason. That's just plain stupid and I'm sure it will get challenged in court.

Apparently it stems from disagreement between that idiot de blasio and the other idiot cuomo. Regardless, it's a dumb way to do it.

 

[ivwshane]

So wait, the guy who wants humans to "evolve" past salary fairness comparisons wants the evolutionary train to just pull the E-brake when it comes to a rudimentary skill set that WILL be replaced by robots by the time we hit 2020?

Yep that's exactly what I want! Or are you implying that's what would happen? If so I'm sure you have actual data to back up that claim and you aren't simply talking out of your ass and ignoring history which shows that as technology evolves and industries change, so do humans and the skills they learn.

Or is this just another one of your posts where you are trying to be funny but instead come off looking like an idiot?

 

[Fern]

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Midtown? My condolences, haha.

Yeah, I don't care for it either. (But it was rather handy as the wifey and I were there to watch our kid & classmates perform at Carnegie Hall.)

Fern

 

[feralkid]

Sounds like being responsible.

I agree, Socialism is usually the most responsible form of government, but the kind of forced social engineering mikey seems to always favor is just bad policy.




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[TheSlamma]

It's funny because you seem to know the definition of a career but you are unable to apply it to a real world scenario. Or do you actually believe there are no supervisor or manager positions along with a host of other positions that keep fast food restaurants running?

"and that's when the big bucks start rollin' in"

Hey if a 40 year career in fast food is all these people can aspire to and you are fine with it then hey whatever. Don't hold it against me cause I think people should evolve everyday more than just biologically.

 

[TheSlamma]

Or are you implying that's what would happen? If so I'm sure you have actual data to back up that claim

http://www.businessinsider.com/expe...ird-of-jobs-will-be-replaced-by-robots-2015-5