NY & NYC Liberals go full Socialist. Raise min wage for JUST fast food workers

[michal1980]

What about this part of my quote?

What's your solution if they don't get paid more? I'm sure you don't want to provide them with food stamps, medicaid, or any number of "welfare-leech" programs. At least by raising the minimum wage, we can stop indirectly subsidizing these businesses.

We can't just let people starve because they don't have the luck or skills to advance.

They are not raising the minimum wage in general. Only for fast food workers.

 

[PokerGuy]

Raising the rate to $15 isn't the issue (even though I think that's dumb as well), what I think is an issue is targeting one specific set of workers to receive that higher minimum wage. That's idiotic. How does it benefit society to have fast food workers get more than people working any other job currently paying minimum wage in NY?? If you're going to make the argument that $15 minimum wage is needed, then fine... but applying it to one set of workers is absolutely stupid.

Then, just to make sure we really have the stupidity level ratcheted up to "max" -- the min amount is done statewide. Cost of living etc is going to be vastly different in NYC than in other parts of the state. Applying a min wage like that across the entire state is dumb.

Every time you think they can't do anything dumber, they prove you wrong.

 

[Brainonska511]

Actually, what I expect is.

1. Don't be a fool. Wrap your tool.

2. Child support payments. I'm in full support for all the baby-daddies that have 6 kids with 5 different women that they then leave. But at the same time if they don't have money, it was the woman's decision just as much as the man's. You pay the price for your stupid decisions in life.

3. PACK THE FUCK UP AND MOVE. Jesus fuck. When a location didn't work out for people (pre-millennial generations) what did people do? They packed their shit and moved to a place with more opportunities and ones that cost less. This generation is all about squatters. Sit there and ride it out, bitching on couch while watching TV all day and saying that everyone else isn't doing enough to appease them... Even though it's their own mistakes that got them there.

1. They don't have time machines. It's like locking the barn after the horse has escaped.

2. Even a "stable" family will have trouble making ends meet in the area on minimum wage. You think a guy making minimum wage will make a dent in helping multiple people through child support payments? What happens when they lapse?

3. Where do they get the capital to move? Or the skills to have a better job once they do move? Where do you get the idea that they sit on the couch all day and watch tv? (Hint: most of America's poor have jobs)
And the very idea that it was only their own mistakes that brought them to that situation is laughable? It's a cycle - if they don't get taught in decent schools/parents or have the resources to escape, of course they're not going to learn and escape the cycle.

 

[Brainonska511]

Raising the rate to $15 isn't the issue (even though I think that's dumb as well), what I think is an issue is targeting one specific set of workers to receive that higher minimum wage. That's idiotic. How does it benefit society to have fast food workers get more than people working any other job currently paying minimum wage in NY?? If you're going to make the argument that $15 minimum wage is needed, then fine... but applying it to one set of workers is absolutely stupid.

Fast food is a pretty large sector. The labor board also has to work under state law, which IIRC, only provides a way to raise minimum wage on a sector-by-sector basis. Global minimum wage would have to be through legislative action.

And raising minimum wage to $15 in fast food will buoy other sectors. Who's going to work for $10/hour doing X when you can make $15 serving fast food?

 

[fskimospy]

Fast food is a pretty large sector. The labor board also has to work under state law, which IIRC, only provides a way to raise minimum wage on a sector-by-sector basis. Global minimum wage would have to be through legislative action.

And raising minimum wage to $15 in fast food will buoy other sectors. Who's going to work for $10/hour doing X when you can make $15 serving fast food?

I think pokerguy is mostly right. If you want to raise the minimum wage this is a bad way to do it.

I'm pretty sure this is the result of Cuomo's stupid hate boner for De Blasio. De Blasio wanted a $15 minimum across the board for NYC, which is probably a good idea. To thwart that Cuomo does this. What a dumbass.

 

[PokerGuy]

Fast food is a pretty large sector. The labor board also has to work under state law, which IIRC, only provides a way to raise minimum wage on a sector-by-sector basis. Global minimum wage would have to be through legislative action.

Then the correct answer is to either do it by legislative action for all, or not do it at all. Doing it for one group of workers is plain stupid.

And raising minimum wage to $15 in fast food will buoy other sectors. Who's going to work for $10/hour doing X when you can make $15 serving fast food?

Again, completely dumb idea. You're going to create logistical problems in other sectors and a glut of labor supply for fast food workers. Apply it to all, or don't apply it. Not "hey, burger flippers yes, entry level retail workers no".

 

[michal1980]

Fast food is a pretty large sector. The labor board also has to work under state law, which IIRC, only provides a way to raise minimum wage on a sector-by-sector basis. Global minimum wage would have to be through legislative action.

And raising minimum wage to $15 in fast food will buoy other sectors. Who's going to work for $10/hour doing X when you can make $15 serving fast food?

Why work for $10 when you can get welfare for no work.

Do you think that by raising fast food wages, you are also going to increase the number of fast food jobs?

HA. If anything there are going to be fewer fast food jobs.

 

[Brainonska511]

I think pokerguy is mostly right. If you want to raise the minimum wage this is a bad way to do it.

I'm pretty sure this is the result of Cuomo's stupid hate boner for De Blasio. De Blasio wanted a $15 minimum across the board for NYC, which is probably a good idea. To thwart that Cuomo does this. What a dumbass.

Yeah, it should be across the board. But given the giant pissing contest between the mayor and the governor, and the lack of meaningful legislative action, it's certainly a start.

 

[cbrunny]

So what is the problem here? A government stepping in to tell a sector what to pay the lowest ranking employees? The implication is that the world will be submerged in hellfire and brimstone?

Or what?

Worst case scenario, fast food shops close down. You guys are fat fucks already. Consider this a good thing.

 

[Rakehellion]

How about not starting a family while working in a minimum wage job?

Minimum wage isn't enough to support an individual.

 

[K1052]

I'm pretty sure this is the result of Cuomo's stupid hate boner for De Blasio. De Blasio wanted a $15 minimum across the board for NYC, which is probably a good idea. To thwart that Cuomo does this. What a dumbass.

I was wondering what the genesis of Cuomo's hate for De Blasio is since I only only superficially follow NY politics. I mean just the other day De Blasio's administration signaled in the most benign way possible that the toll equalization plan and congestion pricing plan (Move NY) could be a solution to the yawning MTA capital funding gap only to have Cuomo basically tell the city to get fucked while still refusing to address the problem himself.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-panel-approves-15-fast-food-wage-1437592861


Congrats you burger flippers now earn more then all other min wage jobs.

And why? not because of some skill you have. But because some elected officials have determined your entitled to that.

The funny thing is in Minneapolis we have several fast food joints in my area advertising 15\hr starting.

 

[Genx87]

I think pokerguy is mostly right. If you want to raise the minimum wage this is a bad way to do it.

I'm pretty sure this is the result of Cuomo's stupid hate boner for De Blasio. De Blasio wanted a $15 minimum across the board for NYC, which is probably a good idea. To thwart that Cuomo does this. What a dumbass.

I just recently heard about the spat between these two when reading about De Blasio wanting to regulate Uber. Without getting into it too much. What is the beef between the two?

 

[fskimospy]

I was wondering what the genesis of Cuomo's hate for De Blasio is since I only only superficially follow NY politics. I mean just the other day De Blasio's administration signaled in the most benign way possible that the toll equalization plan and congestion pricing plan (Move NY) could be a solution to the yawning MTA capital funding gap only to have Cuomo basically tell the city to get fucked while still refusing to address the problem himself.

I think there's the usual downstate/upstate crap going on but it also feels to me like Cuomo has national ambitions and is trying to use De Blasio as a liberal foil so he can prove his centrist credentials.

Adequately funding the MTA and funding the MTA's capital improvement plan should be no brainers. NYC is the growth engine of the entire state, it makes zero sense to degrade its infrastructure.

 

[Anubis]

Garbage men often make considerably more than $15 an hour, especially in New York.

The problem with this proposal is that it ignores regional differences. Setting a $15 minimum in NYC is probably fine, but a $15 minimum in some rust belt town upstate? Probably not so fine.

its fine up here as well dude, its not like its super cheap to live here,

cheaper then NYC sure, cheap not so much

my yearly property taxes are higher then some people pay a year for their Mortgage

 

[Phokus]

Socialism would be the state or workers owning capital... raising the min wage isn't socialism.

Example of socialism: Singapore's government owning a controlling interest in Singapore Airlines.

Another example: Mondragon corporation being owned by the workers.

 

[Subyman]

This may be a backward precursor to a full min wage hike. Increasing in only one sector means less lobbyists. Once the bill gets passed it can then be used as justification to make it a sweeping increase due to "success" of the program.

 

[railer]

I do live in the rust belt of upstate NY...and $15/hr for some pimply faced high school kid to take a drive through order is completely insane for this part of the state. One of my wife's 1st jobs out of college with a master's degree just a few years ago was 36k/year...or a little over $17/hr. She's about as liberal as any of the left wing loons on this board, and she was even appalled at a $15/hr min wage for a burger flipper.

 

[senseamp]

Underpaid fast food workers still having to get welfare to survive is more socialist than a minimum wage they can live off without going on public assistance.

 

[umbrella39]

It really amazes me that more of your don't see this:

This message is hidden because michal1980 is on your ignore list.

Ignore this troll, he WILL go away.

 

[ivwshane]

You would think that a guy who hates socialism as much as the OP, that he'd at least know what socialism actually was.

 

[justoh]

One wouldn't, since he doesn't even know what "then" means.

 

[echo4747]

even though this wage increased is passed.. i doubt many current fast food workers will see the $$... in fact, most will probably phased out of the job they have because of this:
http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/

 

[Exterous]

Raising the rate to $15 isn't the issue (even though I think that's dumb as well), what I think is an issue is targeting one specific set of workers to receive that higher minimum wage. That's idiotic. How does it benefit society to have fast food workers get more than people working any other job currently paying minimum wage in NY?? If you're going to make the argument that $15 minimum wage is needed, then fine... but applying it to one set of workers is absolutely stupid.

It's not even ALL fast food workers - just for those companies with more than 30 locations. This seems absurdly narrow definition for a minimum wage as the same work at a large franchise warrants a higher pay simply due to company size??

 

[glenn1]

Fast food is a pretty large sector. The labor board also has to work under state law, which IIRC, only provides a way to raise minimum wage on a sector-by-sector basis. Global minimum wage would have to be through legislative action.

And raising minimum wage to $15 in fast food will buoy other sectors. Who's going to work for $10/hour doing X when you can make $15 serving fast food?

Is there a legal definition for who represents a "fast food worker" vs. others? For example, is someone working at the McCafe entitled to $15/hour for making lousy cappuccino yet the Starbucks barrista is not? Is somewhere like Panera Bread "fast food", or Dunkin Donuts? How about if the Whole Foods has a cafe, does the cashier there get $15/hour where the cashier for the 'regular supermarket' gets paid less?

I believe in federalism and the right to determine wage standards at the lowest possible level, but this seems like a compliance nightmare waiting to happen.