Question NVME M.2 in lenovo

Soulkeeper

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I just purchased a lenovo A485 which came with a 500GB 7200rpm sata drive.
I have a samsung 970 pro M.2 that i'd like to install, but unfortunately there is no 2280 slot for installing it.
I ordered these:
https://lenovo.encompass.com/item/11093086/Lenovo/00UR496/
https://lenovo.encompass.com/item/11093685/Lenovo/01AX994/

Will this limit the speed ? Will it still function as nvme or will it route thru the sata controller ?
will this give the ssd 4x pcie lanes by any chance ?
Also they make m.2 to sata converters, would that be electrically the same thing as the cable/caddy solution above ?


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UsandThem

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I would imagine that your NVMe drive will be limited to SATA speeds since it's going through the SATA port, so yes it will limit the speed down to SATA3 speeds (which are 600MB/s).

Thinking about it further, I'm just wondering if that adapter isn't for a user to install a SATA M.2 drive into a SATA port. I imagine it will not work at all using a NVMe (which is a PCIe device) drive through a SATA connector.
 

fire400

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M.2 is a replacement of MSATA in progress.
Laptop units shipped with M.2 still utilized some level of SATA technology, any PCI-e level technology is separate from NVME in class at its earlier manufacturing stages, but still utilizes overlapping boundards of PCI-e.
To achieve true NVME speeds, the PCI-e controller must be compliant with NVME or achieve the bandwidth of the 550+ mbps transfer rate on the bridge/controller, at this point, a desktop.
When it comes to laptops, if laptop did not need to ship with an NVME motherboard capability, the manufacturer would save money/process by not including NVME capability, therefore submodels of laptops that customer thought NVME would work, did not get the functionality or speeds of upgrading to an NVME SSD if the laptop was supplied with a 'generic' M.2 SSD.
Check with the motherboard SUBMODEL beforehand, and do not assume that the base laptop model will be fully capable of NVME.

2280 is referred to a physical slot standard. Most adapters will allow different slot standards to be utilized, but most importantly, the adapter must be NVME ready and not just M.2 ready.

What is NVME?
NVMe (non-volatile memory express) is a host controller interface and storage protocol created to accelerate the transfer of data between enterprise and client systems and solid-state drives (SSDs) over a computer's high-speed Peripheral Component Interconnect Express (PCIe) bus.
https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/NVMe-non-volatile-memory-express

Non-NVME M.2 will cap at 550mbps and utilize that SATA600 bridge.
Some motherboards may take NVME M.2, but will default at the 550mbps SATA cap, but usually a waste and may cause compatibility issues or not work at all.

Installing the NVME SSD will sometimes require special drivers to be injected into the OS in order for the OS to properly detect the SSD or even boot up correctly. Therefore, just getting an adapter, will not always work, it will fit, but your OS may refuse to startup correctly. Implanting the NVME driver(s) or changing boot settings may help, but not guaranteed, as the NVME drivers must be loaded with the exact corresponding operating system.

If you want to achieve the +3,000mbps speed of NVME, it's not very likely your laptop motherboard will ever achieve those read/write speeds, especially if the driver injection hasn't been plugged into Win8.1 or Win7 if you're not using Win10.
At least update the BIOS, too.

The lanes have to be built into the motherboard and its relevant to the motherboard translation storage controller architecture, not the adapter alone, unless you're on a desktop where the PCI-e technology can already push the bandwidth but may lack some specific NVME security features/special integration tools, BIOS settings, but that is a different story.

I would upgrade/downgrade the existing SSD to a Samsung 860 2.5" SATA600 SSD, and when you're ready, to make sure your new replacement laptop is capable of the NVME M.2 2280 standard.

You don't have to get the "Pro" line either to see the +3,000mbps read/write speeds, the EVO line is just fine, and the Samsung 970 products in general are truly unmatched in NVME technology compared to other brands, so good choice.
 
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Soulkeeper

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Thanks for the input.
This still don't answer my question tho. I guess I need to contact lenovo specifically and verify if that adapter cable is just a fancy sata cable or if it actually connects the m.2 connector with everything it needs for full speed.

I have a 960 pro in my desktop, but it has a fully supported m.2 connector. This specific laptop is the mystery here.
 

UsandThem

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Thanks for the input.
This still don't answer my question tho. I guess I need to contact lenovo specifically and verify if that adapter cable is just a fancy sata cable or if it actually connects the m.2 connector with everything it needs for full speed.

I have a 960 pro in my desktop, but it has a fully supported m.2 connector. This specific laptop is the mystery here.

I thought I answered your question? :oops:

I don't personally believe it will work with a NVMe drive (970 PRO). I think that adapter is to install a SATA M.2 drive using your SATA port instead of a M.2 slot. But they offer no tech specs on the links you provided, so you will have to contact them to clarify that aspect. If it does happen to work somehow, your NVMe drive will likely be limited to the SATA speeds that both of us mentioned in our posts (max of 600MB/s or more likely in the 550MB/s area mentioned by fire400).
 
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Soulkeeper

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Ok, I found a review that goes into detail and seems to clarify the situation.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-A485-Ryzen-5-Pro-Laptop-Review.334528.0.html
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Storage Solution
The Lenovo ThinkPad A485 is equipped with a Samsung PM981 with a 256-GB capacity. This is a very fast PCIe NVMe SSD, even though its full potential cannot be used in the ThinkPad. The reason for this is Lenovo's particular storage solution that is used in some of the current ThinkPads such as the T480, T580, and A485, where either a classical 2.5-inch hard drive or a 2280-M.2-SSD serves as the storage. In a model without an HDD such as our current test unit, the SSD sits in an adapter inside the 2.5-inch slot that is connected with the same connector as the hard drive. This causes the performance to be limited to PCIe-3.0-x2 speeds. However, you should almost never notice this limitation during everyday usage.
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So it should work, just at x2
There is also the matter of the WWAN card and the 2242 m.2

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Soulkeeper

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Ok, I got the adapter/caddy and installed the 970 pro.
It works at half speed as suspected, but is reported as nvme