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Nvidia's NV30 Will Use DDR II Memory Clocked At 1GHz

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Shagga

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Many thought that Nvidia will use 700 MHz to 800 MHz memory which is not true, at least for the fastest implementation of chip, as we expect several cards based on same core. The fastest NV30 will work on the nice round number of 1000MHz, bringing graphics memory to a 1GHz speed for the first time in history.

Before anyone says that "The Enquirer" is FOS, keep it to yourself, you don't have to believe it. It's just news, whether it be true or false. ;

You can get the info from W2S
 
Beat me to the post 🙁

But on the upside if the inquirer is accurate (don?t jump the gun they don?t spew forth %100 BS people) then this really is gonna be something special. 😀

But doesn?t that card just scream a $500-600 dollar price tag?
 
Originally posted by: Xernex
Beat me to the post 🙁

But on the upside if the inquirer is accurate (don?t jump the gun they don?t spew forth %100 BS people) then this really is gonna be something special. 😀

But doesn?t that card just scream a $500-600 dollar price tag?
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Yeah. $500 equates to Appx £333 which doesn't sound too bad, but as is with everything else in the UK $500 in US mean £500 in the UK which DOES suck...

Oh yeah, not oftem I'm first to post news...lol 😉
 
hmmmm.....1 GHz ram..don't think so...not any time soon........thats a 40% increase in speed over the last generation of DDR....I don't think we will see 40% increase any time soon.....
think the Nvida NV30 would be pretty similar to 9700 pro ..256bit DDR ............but with 8 pipelines and higher GPU clock speed...I would say around ~450ish MHz
 
For those people who watch the screen savers we have allready seen that ATI has 9700's up and running using DDR-II. So then doesnt that mean that the 9700 will be the crown winner?
 
hmmmm.....1 GHz ram..don't think so...not any time soon........thats a 40% increase in speed over the last generation of DDR....I don't think we will see 40% increase any time soon.....
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Keep in mind how desperate Nvidia are to blow the 9700 out of the water. Their virtual monopoly of the market is now under very serious threat, they really need to pull a magic rabbit out of the hat, which is what I think they are going to do.

But my question is, at what cost? Possibly there will be an expensive version of the NV30 that is by far the most powerful card, then a lower end like the 4200 was to the GF4 which is on par with the 9700 and much cheaper.

Who knows, let?s wait till comodex.
 
I would think that nvidia would only want to barely beat ATI, and keep the DDR-II stuff under wraps until ATI tries to trump them again. That way they don't blow all of their surprises at once.
 
Originally posted by: Xernex
hmmmm.....1 GHz ram..don't think so...not any time soon........thats a 40% increase in speed over the last generation of DDR....I don't think we will see 40% increase any time soon.....
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Keep in mind how desperate Nvidia are to blow the 9700 out of the water. Their virtual monopoly of the market is now under very serious threat, they really need to pull a magic rabbit out of the hat, which is what I think they are going to do.

But my question is, at what cost? Possibly there will be an expensive version of the NV30 that is by far the most powerful card, then a lower end like the 4200 was to the GF4 which is on par with the 9700 and much cheaper.

Who knows, let?s wait till comodex.
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I don't think the yields on NV30 will be high enough by Xmas for nVidia to cost effectively offer a "4200" version. I think ATi will own the value segment with R9500/PRO. NV30 will crush R9700 in some ways, but I also think ATi is waiting in the wings with something special too.
 
Am I missing something or is this just not all that impressive from a memory bandwidth point of view? NV30 - 525mhz(1050mhz effective) but on only a 128bit interface vs. 9700 - 310mhz(620mhz effective) on a 256bit interface. Looks as if the Radeon will still have the edge at high resolutions and while using AA unless nVidia has some very effective bandwidth techniques.
 
Originally posted by: YBS1
Am I missing something or is this just not all that impressive from a memory bandwidth point of view? NV30 - 525mhz(1050mhz effective) but on only a 128bit interface vs. 9700 - 310mhz(620mhz effective) on a 256bit interface. Looks as if the Radeon will still have the edge at high resolutions and while using AA unless nVidia has some very effective bandwidth techniques.
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Well, considdering the rumors about NV30 containing Gigapixel technology, they just might.
 
an nvidia engineer told me once that they were only using a tiny little bit of 3dfx tech. that was a bit ago, and he could have been lying.

plus, gigapixel tech wouldn't help against radeon if ati's claim of 100% occlusion detection via hyper-z 3 are correct
 
Originally posted by: Dewey
Aaaahhhh competition. Ain't it grand! I sure hope ATI and AMD stay in business.
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Why do you think all the sudden ATi is going somewhere? Everything we've hard about NV30 is still speculation. ATi is on a roll if you haven't noticed.
 
Originally posted by: Xernex
hmmmm.....1 GHz ram..don't think so...not any time soon........thats a 40% increase in speed over the last generation of DDR....I don't think we will see 40% increase any time soon.....
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Keep in mind how desperate Nvidia are to blow the 9700 out of the water. Their virtual monopoly of the market is now under very serious threat, they really need to pull a magic rabbit out of the hat, which is what I think they are going to do.

But my question is, at what cost? Possibly there will be an expensive version of the NV30 that is by far the most powerful card, then a lower end like the 4200 was to the GF4 which is on par with the 9700 and much cheaper.

Who knows, let?s wait till comodex.
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Until Nvidia shows a working prototype, all news about the NV30 is vaporware, as far as I'm concerned.

As it stands, Nvidia seems to have gone the way of 3dfx by resting on its laurels, overconfident with its marketshare, and didn't realize it needed to actually do some serious R&D until it was forced to do so, and got caught behind. Let's face it, deep down, there's not much difference between the various gForce incarnations other than clock and memory boosts, with a few little features thrown in here and there.

Intel has been doing the same thing for years with the Pentium line, and they should feel damn lucky that AMD has fell behind in bringing Hammer to market. As it stands, ATI has done to nVidia what AMD could/should have done to Intel.

Wait for Comdex? Yeah, sure. I've been going to Comdex here in Las Vegas for years now, and nVidia never has a normal booth for the public to see what's cooking. They just have a meeting room for private hardware-developers to visit. At least ATI always has a nice big exhibit.

Am I pro-ATI/anti-nVidia? Nope. I'm a gForce3 ti200 owner, previously a gForce 256 DDR owner. Before that I was a 3dfx supporter, and before that I was an ATI supporter. I gave up on ATI because their driver support sucked. Some people think that has changed, so I may go back to them and get a 9700 Pro. (I've been very happy with nVidia's driver support.)

Which card will I get? Well, since the only thing holding me back from building my new system is the availability of SATA hard drives, once they become available I'll get whichever card on the market is fastest at that time. If the NV30 isn't out when SATA drives are, I'll get the ATI 9700 Pro. If NV30 is out by then, and it proves to be everything that the rumors claim it will be, then I'll stick with nVidia.
 
This was mentioned several months ago... I believe it was posted on the AT forums as well (also linked to The Enquirer). I don't know. I'd definately have to see it before I believed it.
 
Ok, here is my forcast. ATi released a card (9700) that not only beat nVidia's latest and greatest (TI4600), but it bitch slapped it! I don't EVER remember a next generation card beating the previous generation card so bad. So nVidia has its hands full just trying to make a card that can beat the 9700. Well ATi is not sitting still and are planning on releasing the DDRII version of their 9700 about the time NV30 comes out (or before). If you ask me, ATi will hold the crown for at least another year. The 9700 is just amazing!
 
Who cares that the Radeon 9700 has a 256-bit interface? Haven?t we learned that the implementation of a memory architecture is more important? Need I say more than Parhelia (with its ever-so helpful 256-bit memory interface).
 
Who cares that the Radeon 9700 has a 256-bit interface?
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Probably the folks using the 9700, otherwise they'd have a 9500 on their hands. The implementation is definately important, nVidia using a 128-bit interface means they are going to have to feed that GPU some bandwidth somehow is all, and that means more than just highly clocked ram I'm sure, but that doesn't make the Radeon's 256-bit interface wrong, or improper or whatever, just different, available and working well by most accounts.
 
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Who cares that the Radeon 9700 has a 256-bit interface? Haven?t we learned that the implementation of a memory architecture is more important? Need I say more than Parhelia (with its ever-so helpful 256-bit memory interface).
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well the parhelia has no occlusion detection (its major downfall), i would hardly count that as implementation of memory architecture. with ati's claim of 100% occlusion detection it gets very hard to get rid of more un-necessary memory accesses. low latency will definitely help, from what i've read ddr-II is actually slightly higher latency at equivalent clocks. also, it allows ATi to use cheaper memory modules than nvidia. though the board and packaging costs would be more this will be a significant price advantage for the time being and should be less expensive until a near price-parity state on the chips is achieved, and that probably won't happen for this generation of video cards.
 
Let's start thinking here. Is nVidia going to release their 'new big card', the NV30, and make it slower than the Radeon 9700 Pro? Nope. They are going to, I guarantee, top the Radeon 9700 Pro. For example, If they released a 'Geforce 5, Ti 3000, 4000, and 5000, then 3000 would probably equate to Radeon 9700 Pro speeds. While the 4000 and 5000 will give nVidia the speed crown until ATi decides to do something about it.
 
Originally posted by: wizdum
Let's start thinking here. Is nVidia going to release their 'new big card', the NV30, and make it slower than the Radeon 9700 Pro? Nope. They are going to, I guarantee, top the Radeon 9700 Pro. For example, If they released a 'Geforce 5, Ti 3000, 4000, and 5000, then 3000 would probably equate to Radeon 9700 Pro speeds. While the 4000 and 5000 will give nVidia the speed crown until ATi decides to do something about it.
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And with the time ATI has had to do something about it, they might just announce their next card the day after nVidia announces NV30. 😀


Hey, guessing is fun! 😛
 
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