• Guest, The rules for the P & N subforum have been updated to prohibit "ad hominem" or personal attacks against other posters. See the full details in the post "Politics and News Rules & Guidelines."

NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 10-Series (Mobile Pascal)

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,139
131




NotebookCheck: Nvidia Pascal for Notebooks - In-depth Benchmarks for the Geforce GTX 1080 (SLI), GTX 1070, and GTX 1060



Depending on the game, a single Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080 achieves the level of its desktop counterpart in the selected games with only a few percent difference. The Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 also reaches performance on desktop level, which only differs by a few percent from its desktop counterpart in the selected games. It is impressive that the GTX 980M remains 40-45% behind its GTX 1070 successor, which corresponds to a performance gain of about 70%.
The wise saying that those who really want gaming on highest level should better use a desktop is obsolete at the latest with the current Pascal GPU generation from Nvidia. The high-end graphic chips used in notebooks with the same name perform about the same as their desktop counterparts apart from smallest differences. In addition, Nvidia defines the ceiling of what is currently possible with the GTX 1080 SLI graphic solution. This includes throughout smooth frame rates in the latest games in 4k resolution (3840 x 2160 pixels) and, therewith, best possible experience in VR applications. Compared to the predecessor generation (Maxwell), i.e. GTX 970M, 980M, and GTX 980, the performance gain gets fully apparent: +50-80 % performance gain speak for itself.

With +25 % compared to the GTX 980M, even the smallest solution of the new Pascal generation brings top-level performance. In addition, it can be used in slim and compact gaming notebooks thanks to a TDP on GTX 970M level. For the time being, no competition from AMD is in sight for high-end notebooks. While a mobile version of the Radeon RX 480 might be able to reach the performance of the GTX 1060, its cooling requirements might be higher.
www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Pascal-for-Notebooks-In-depth-Benchmarks-for-the-Geforce-GTX-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html


Therefore, we measured the energy consumption from the battery, disconnected. We took into account two scenarios: idle and load. The latter provided by running Witcher 3.
- Idle (system power)



- Load @ The Witcher 3 (system power)



http://pclab.pl/art70857.html

With this being a hard launch, NVIDIA has already started with shipements to their partners, and pretty much every single gaming laptop manufacturer is already shipping, or will shortly be shipping, updated product lines to take advantage of this new GPU. Most of the devices shipping now are going to be refreshes of existing product lines, but we may see some new designs in the not too distant future as well. NVIDIA is expecting designs around $1300 as a starting place, but I would expect several manufacturers to quickly get under the $1000 threshold on their competitively priced gaming notebooks.
www.anandtech.com/show/10564/nvidias-geforce-gtx-10series-for-notebooks-unveiled-launching-today
 
Last edited:
Mar 10, 2006
11,715
2,011
126
Wow, great roll-out from NVIDIA, particularly happy that it's a hard launch. I genuinely can't believe people were saying that NVIDIA would be late to the notebook game with Pascal, it simply isn't true.

Most gamers I know use desktops rather than gaming notebooks, though, so I probably won't get to play with one of these IRL :(
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sweepr

mohit9206

Golden Member
Jul 2, 2013
1,381
510
136
Isn't gonna be cheap though.Even the 1060 based laptop will start at $2000 where i live.
 

exar333

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2004
8,518
8
91
I don't know how "mobile" a laptop with 100W GPU is, but okay.
980M tdp was ~125w. For 17'' gaming laptops, they are generally built with cooling in mind. I am more curious about the 1060 mobile and how low that can go. If it can get to ~75w, that is pretty amazing actually for smaller gaming laptops (~15''). Keep in mind most gaming laptops are not anything like an Ultrabook. :)
 

thilanliyan

Lifer
Jun 21, 2005
11,371
1,226
126
That's pretty amazing that they were able to stick a 1080/1070 in a laptop. Kudos to nV.
I wonder what kind of cooling it needs though, and I'm guessing it's really only for when you're plugged into the wall?
 

Azix

Golden Member
Apr 18, 2014
1,438
64
91
980M tdp was ~125w. For 17'' gaming laptops, they are generally built with cooling in mind. I am more curious about the 1060 mobile and how low that can go. If it can get to ~75w, that is pretty amazing actually for smaller gaming laptops (~15''). Keep in mind most gaming laptops are not anything like an Ultrabook. :)
A real win will be regular laptops being usable for mid to high gaming. Talking about the inspirons etc. These laptops have their uses, eg. developers might carry them around to demo their games. But Even the 1060 is a little expensive. But I don't think most are going to specifically buy a "gaming" laptop with that size and cost. Still should be successful (enough people will buy)


That's pretty amazing that they were able to stick a 1080/1070 in a laptop. Kudos to nV.
I wonder what kind of cooling it needs though, and I'm guessing it's really only for when you're plugged into the wall?
not really amazing. It takes up a huge part of the laptop and its done simply because its now possible with the power consumption in an acceptable range.
 

thilanliyan

Lifer
Jun 21, 2005
11,371
1,226
126
not really amazing. It takes up a huge part of the laptop and its done simply because its now possible with the power consumption in an acceptable range.
That to me is amazing...that a card as powerful as a 1080 can now be stuck in a laptop. nV did really well with the power consumption for these cards.
 

crisium

Platinum Member
Aug 19, 2001
2,632
593
136
Impressive. Nvidia has fitted fully enabled x04 cards into laptops before, even Fermi, but they are usually under-clocked by a decent amount. Nice to see it very near reference desktop speeds. The mobile GTX 980 running at full speed was another interesting development last year too.
 

Bacon1

Diamond Member
Feb 14, 2016
3,430
1,015
91
In the old thread someone posted that the 1070 laptop part was a more "full" part than the 1070 desktop, which is why it scaled so well while underclocked. Anyone have more info on that or remember what post it was?
 

96Firebird

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 2010
5,661
281
126
In the old thread someone posted that the 1070 laptop part was a more "full" part than the 1070 desktop, which is why it scaled so well while underclocked. Anyone have more info on that or remember what post it was?
It was probably by Head1985, goes along with his hatred of the desktop 1070, which he for some reason bought?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-thread.2474409/page-38#post-38405521

He tried (and failed) to simulate what he though the mobile 1070's performance would be.
 

Thala

Golden Member
Nov 12, 2014
1,289
597
136
I don't know how "mobile" a laptop with 100W GPU is, but okay.
Such a laptop is not particularly "mobile". They are incredibly bulky and heavy (like 4kg) while at the same time having a bad battery run-time. Even if you do not game at all, just with web-browsing you barely reach 4h. You better have it connected to the power plug most of the time.
 

Hitman928

Diamond Member
Apr 15, 2012
3,872
4,453
136
Did they do any kind of warm up or prolonged test benches for the mobile cards? Even the 1080 FE suffered performance drops one you got past 5-10 minutes of gaming. It's hard to imagine they could cool a full chip better in a laptop, even a dtr, but major kudos if they did.
 

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
5,542
1,321
136
Did they do any kind of warm up or prolonged test benches for the mobile cards? Even the 1080 FE suffered performance drops one you got past 5-10 minutes of gaming. It's hard to imagine they could cool a full chip better in a laptop, even a dtr, but major kudos if they did.
This is what I am interested in. I do know that nVidia spec'ed that the cards have to be able to sustain a base clock. So I would assume whatever that base clock is, you will always get at least that, provided the OEM did their job in making sure that was the case. Will be interesting when we see some released laptops, and what types of cooling they use.
 

Qwertilot

Golden Member
Nov 28, 2013
1,590
245
106
These mobile things are running at a much lower TDP than the desktop equivalents (see above for how) so it should be possible. Have to imagine that the noise will be rather unamusing though.
 

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,139
131
Such a laptop is not particularly "mobile". They are incredibly bulky and heavy (like 4kg) while at the same time having a bad battery run-time. Even if you do not game at all, just with web-browsing you barely reach 4h. You better have it connected to the power plug most of the time.
Quick search at Amazon - 2.18 kg, 0.94'' thick with mobile GTX 1070:

www.amazon.com/GL502VS-DB71-Full-HD-Gaming-I7%C2%AD6700Q-Windows/dp/B01K1INYD0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1471467174&sr=8-2&keywords=gtx+1070+laptop

NVIDIA says VR-ready as low as 4 lbs, 18mm:

 
  • Like
Reactions: Drazick

tviceman

Diamond Member
Mar 25, 2008
6,733
514
126
www.facebook.com
The GTX 1060 laptop more than twice as fast as the 860/960m, and only 110 watts for the entire laptop under load - very nice. Finally the x60 laptop gets a boost, and a big one. GM107 was getting EXTREMELY long in the tooth.

Nvidia is executing 100% right now; no wonder they're recording record revenue quarter after quarter and guiding upwards on top of it.
 

DaveSimmons

Elite Member
Aug 12, 2001
40,730
670
126
I'm suddenly tempted to buy a laptop I don't really need :)

As fast as the 10xxx series is, I might be fine with a 1050 or 1060-lite if nvidia adds them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Arachnotronic

Head1985

Golden Member
Jul 8, 2014
1,857
677
136
He tried (and failed) to simulate what he though the mobile 1070's performance would be.
Only fail here is you stop trolling.
If you downlock Desktop version to mobile version clock and set same TDP you can compare both cards.

mobile version with 4xGPC is way faster at same clock and TDP than desktop.

Its 10% at 1080P and more at 4k.
 

KevinH

Diamond Member
Nov 19, 2000
3,110
7
81
This MSI notebook got my attention, 0.69" and 3.96 lbs (1.79 kg) with a quad-core i7-6700HQ + GTX 1060. Expensive though:



www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154296
The Gigabyte Aero recently came out and was a 14" laptop with 10 hours of battery life with nongaming activities (usual web/mp3/word etc) and was packed with a 970M. I can't wait for the refresh. That machine is going to be a killer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Arachnotronic

Sweepr

Diamond Member
May 12, 2006
5,148
1,139
131
Only fail here is you stop trolling.
If you downlock Desktop version to mobile version clock and set same TDP you can compare both cards.

mobile version with 4xGPC is way faster at same clock and TDP than desktop.

Its 10% at 1080P and more at 4k.
But that's expected from a mobile part. In the end desktop is still (a bit) faster due to higher sustained clocks, as you can see above.
 

exar333

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2004
8,518
8
91
I think it is pretty amazing. Never before have we had the 'standard' mobile parts the same as the desktop equivalent (albeit clocked lower). Its a great trend to see going forward and is what we saw 4-5 years ago starting with CPUs where your mobile offerings started being comparable with Desktop. Also helps the average Joe compare and understand performance better through giving a better benchmark or baseline for performance between mobile/desktop.
 

ASK THE COMMUNITY