NVIDIA'S CHEATING

[cindy22]

I will never buy from nvidia again until they change their cheating ways.
Some magazines and websites reviewed Nvidia's fx 5800 ultra or fx5950 ultra video cards having higher scores in benchmarks than ati's 9700 pro or 9800 xt,they might not have caught nvidia cheating in the past with their drivers to drasticly inflate their scores so they can catch up to ati's high scores in games and benchmarks with aa and af. Even Tom"s Hardware made that mistake when claiming nvidia's 5800fx is faster than ati 9700 pro in one of their past articles but we all know that wasn't true when 5800fx finally came out and was a big dissapointment and loser compared to ati's 9700 pro

Nvidia's Fx series have been a flop from the begin so they have to result in cheating and probably paying off some magazines and websites, but for the past year alot of people and other websites has caught nvidia cheating by turning off fog,water,etc. in games to improve scores.

3DMARK03 came out with a new patch to prevent recent drivers from cheating or what nvidia calls "optimizing" that usually degrades image quality or doesn't produce the correct image, Nvidia's score are now down by up to 30% and ati's are the same .After the patch was applied Ati 9800xt beats 5950fx ultra in every test and 9800 pro beats 5900 fx ultra 3 out of 4

3DMARK03 SCORES after patch
Ati 9800xt = 6436
Nvidia 5950fx ultra = 5538

You can check it out here at: Rage3d.com
or
http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/3dmark03/340

NVIDIA also violated an agreement with DX by changing directx 9 code in their latest drivers :

"Nvidias NV38 (along with the rest of the FX series) has been dubbed as a substandard card by team dx. This means that DX will not include NV in its developement range for directx10. Team DX made the decision "as a favor to the graphics industry". Team DX claims that NV violated their partnership agreement by changing the DX9 code with their latest set of drivers as caught by Xbit labs recently. This violates the licensing agreement and conpromises DXs quality"
You can check that article at:

http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2874

or other articles aboout nvidia's cheating at:

http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/5135
or
www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/ gfx5900caughtcheating.shtml

 

[MDE]

Not this again... PLEASE STFU ABOUT THE CHEATING CRAP. We've heard enough, everyone has their own unchanging opinion on it. Let it die.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Not another Cheating thread . For the love of god make it stop.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: dragonballgtz
Not another Cheating thread . For the love of god make it stop.

At least this one is from an unbiased, well informed source.

http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2874

NV will not be able to even optimize their cards as ATi can and will probably fall into bankruptsy(sic) just as 3dfx did before them...

edit: Their 'source' is some poster in a forum with a hotmail email address.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: dragonballgtz
Not another Cheating thread . For the love of god make it stop.

At least this one is from an unbiased, well informed source.

http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2874

NV will not be able to even optimize their cards as ATi can and will probably fall into bankruptsy(sic) just as 3dfx did before them...

edit: Their 'source' is some poster in a forum with a hotmail email address.

Hail Hotmail man!:frown: Geez people, they do make more than video chips, there's probably enough cash to hold them over for at least one more mistake.

 

[Nebor]

This guy's been reading Maximum PC for 3 years, finally finds AnAndtech, and let's us in on the breaking news... What's wrong with the rest of you guys?

teehee.

 

[VIAN]

This topic was discussed months ago. All was answered and Nvidia even made out some guidelines for new drivers so that they won't "cheat." Nvidia has changed their ways and has improved drivers dramatically.

I haven't heard 5800 in a long time.

 

[Viper96720]

LOL

 

[Schadenfroh]

ATI Cheats2
ATI Cheats1

sorry dude, if you want honesty, go with XGI

 

[nick1985]

M4H, eat his face off

 

[Insomniak]

God I wish I could post the "Birth of Black Jesus" timeline pic....

Anyway, welcome to last year. Was it comfortable under that rock?

 

[Regs]

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, is a good movie.

 

[merlocka]

horse (dead) + stick = beat

 

[McArra]

Enough. I can't stand this threads anymore..... anyway wellcome to the forums cindy22.

 

[TheMouse]

CMON GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since there are a billion threads that start with "xxxx is cheating" where xxxx is ATI or Nvidia, can you please use more descriptive titles as to why you feel they are cheating or where more information is available????

It's just getting damn annoying.


// sorry for the b itching

and I apologize to Cindy for b itching in her thread, since she's not the real root of my frustation with these topics.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Yea, seriously, she's apparently new here, ya could go a little easier... But, in any case, these threads are hella annoying and I'm surprised we don't have an argument already.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Yea, seriously, she's apparently new here, ya could go a little easier... But, in any case, these threads are hella annoying and I'm surprised we don't have an argument already.

the word "hella" is annoying

 

[Richdog]

Nvidia? Cheating? This is the first i've heard of it! I KNEW moving to Tibet was a bad idea...

 

[MichaelZ]

..., meh, spam

 

[nRollo]

I will never buy from nvidia again until they change their cheating ways.

And what position is it you hold at ATI, Cindy22?

LOL Cindy just got the internet, saw some articles about the 3DMark03 "optimizations" and decides to warn the people! Only a half year late after it's gotten more coverage than the OJ trial.

Hey Cindy, I hear 3dfx went out of business too- can you believe it?!?!

 

[nRollo]

sorry dude, if you want honesty, go with XGI

Can't even go there Schadenfroh.

Even XGI cheats
"The picture changes dramatically when we use our Inferno time demo. The Volari Duo V8 takes a major performance nosedive and falls back to the last place."
And it did so WELL on the standard Antalus benchmark!

 

[rmrf]

her (assuming) only other post is another one bashing how nvidia cheats. I call troll on this one.

 

[Rage187]

its probably the user "spam" trying to start another heated debate on Nv cheating.



OMFG stop the pressess!!!

 

[Pete]

NVIDIA also violated an agreement with DX by changing directx 9 code in their latest drivers :

"Nvidias NV38 (along with the rest of the FX series) has been dubbed as a substandard card by team dx. This means that DX will not include NV in its developement range for directx10. Team DX made the decision "as a favor to the graphics industry". Team DX claims that NV violated their partnership agreement by changing the DX9 code with their latest set of drivers as caught by Xbit labs recently. This violates the licensing agreement and conpromises DXs quality"
You can check that article at:

http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2874

This whole paragraph is made up. GG, Team Internet.

cindy, welcome to Anandtech. If you do a little searching, you'll find that this topic has been covered ad infinitum here (as well as probably every other 3D-related online forum).

 

[Pete]

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