NVidia Titan Xp Review vs. 1080 Ti: $200 Per Percentage Point Gained [GamersNexus]

[Bacon1]

Sniper Elite 4 at 4K resolution with Dx12 and Async Compute allowed our CrossFire RX 580 + RX 480 combo to outperform a reference 1080 Ti thanks to fringe multi-GPU optimization in this game

This thing clearly isn’t best used for gaming. Again, that won’t stop people from buying it because it’s “the best,” and nVidia does still advertise its gaming capabilities a few times on the product page.

The thing is, at $200 per percentage point gained in some of these games, it’s a pretty tough argument. You’re talking differences that are nearly obscured by standard deviation test-to-test, even when accounting for excursions from the mean; in fact, in some cases, the AIB partner model 1080 Ti cards clock high enough that performance is effectively identical to the Titan Xp. This becomes even more true when accounting for manufacturing variance chip-to-chip.

Overclocking does keep the TiXp on top of the charts, but it’s often minimal. Sniper Elite is the only game where the TiXp saw any reasonable lead over the 1080 Ti, but even then, it’s not a good bargain.

If buying this for the extra 1GB VRAM for code execution with neural nets and deep learning, we’d advise looking up reviews for that application. This card may well be a performance king in that department, particularly at the price. For our audience, though, we simply cannot recommend the Titan Xp for gaming use cases. A 1080 Ti makes far more sense.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2892-nvidia-titan-xp-review-vs-1080-ti-benchmark

 

[mohit9206]

Such an article was not really needed because people who are gonna buy this $1200 card will do regardless of anything else as long as its the fastest and most powerful card available. E-peen is the end goal here so common sense gets thrown out of the window.

 

[ddogg]

Yeah it was quite obvious how horrible of a purchase the new Xp was. Those who buy it lack common sense or just want the biggest epeen.

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[Mopetar]

I'd be interested to see results for putting a Titan Xp on water as that might allow it to widen the gap. If you're going to spend $1200 on a GPU, what's an few hundred more for a good water cooling solution?

 

[ddogg]

I'd be interested to see results for putting a Titan Xp on water as that might allow it to widen the gap. If you're going to spend $1200 on a GPU, what's an few hundred more for a good water cooling solution?

I've seen plenty of people who refuse to put them under water. I put my Ti under water and it likely beats a stock Xp. But yeah it would be nice to see one pushed to 2.1Ghz or so without throttling.

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[ElFenix]

titan xpp, yeah you know me

 

[Carfax83]

Yeah it was quite obvious how horrible of a purchase the new Xp was. Those who buy it lack common sense or just want the biggest epeen.

I have to ask, do you think that people who buy Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Mercedes etcetera or any other luxury item as lacking common sense? After all, why buy a Ferrari when a Corvette will do just as good, if not better for a much lower price?

 

[Carfax83]

I haven't seen anyone present a credible opinion as to why the gap is so much bigger in Sniper Elite 4.

 

[tg2708]

I don't think its much of an epeen or as how I see it is if one has the money to get whatever they desire, why not splurge and get the best. If I had enough money to get all the lastest things that come out that would like to have trust me I would get the best and it would not be to show off etc. But im different though and I would not deny that some people do it for epeen.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I did not need to be told this.

 

[Bacon1]

I haven't seen anyone present a credible opinion as to why the gap is so much bigger in Sniper Elite 4.

Because all of the hardware is being fully utilized. I mean look at 480 + 580 beating out a 1080 Ti. That is just crazy.

Fury X is hanging out near the 1080 as well @ 4k

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sniper_elite_4_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

Looks to be a very well optimized game with how well it scales

 

[Carfax83]

I don't think its much of an epeen or as how I see it is if one has the money to get whatever they desire, why not splurge and get the best. If I had enough money to get all the lastest things that come out that would like to have trust me I would get the best and it would not be to show off etc. But im different though and I would not deny that some people do it for epeen.

Exactly, it's not really a matter of common sense (or lack thereof) why some people buy the Titan series GPUs. It's just that it's a premium product. There's always been products and services that cater to those people who are willing to pay more for the best, even if the best is only just a little bit better. The Titan series is just one more expression of this.

If you want me to believe that it's about common sense, you have to explain the whole human experience to me that revolves around higher prices for better goods and services. Heck, I once bought an Omega Planet Ocean watch for $5,800. I must have been lacking common sense, because I could have simply bought an atomic digital Casio watch for $200 that would have been much more accurate

 

[Carfax83]

Because all of the hardware is being fully utilized. I mean look at 480 + 580 beating out a 1080 Ti. That is just crazy.

Fury X is hanging out near the 1080 as well @ 4k

Well I have to say, it does seem this game is freakishly well optimized. It seems the cards are lined up accurately when you compared their theoretical FP32 output.

 

[raghu78]

Well I have to say, it does seem this game is freakishly well optimized. It seems the cards are lined up accurately when you compared their theoretical FP32 output.

I would not say the AMD cards achieve anywhere close to theoretical FP32 performance. They still suffer from the same poor sp utilization in both DX11 and DX12. The difference is the game has an excellent DX12 implementation. AMD cards gain a lot of performance going from DX11 to DX12. Nvidia gains lesser but thats because their DX11 performance is kick ass. Anyway Sniper Elite 4 is one of the rare games where DX12 performance is better for both AMD and Nvidia compared to DX11.

 

[exquisitechar]

I'd be interested to see results for putting a Titan Xp on water as that might allow it to widen the gap. If you're going to spend $1200 on a GPU, what's an few hundred more for a good water cooling solution?

Yeah, the Titan Xp without good cooling is pointless. An aftermarket 1080ti which is much cheaper will outperform it. A max OC vs max OC comparison with proper cooling would be nice.

 

[Carfax83]

I would not say the AMD cards achieve anywhere close to theoretical FP32 performance. They still suffer from the same poor sp utilization in both DX11 and DX12. The difference is the game has an excellent DX12 implementation. AMD cards gain a lot of performance going from DX11 to DX12. Nvidia gains lesser but thats because their DX11 performance is kick ass. Anyway Sniper Elite 4 is one of the rare games where DX12 performance is better for both AMD and Nvidia compared to DX11.

They're not as efficient as the Pascal cards, but they come close to reaching their potential in Sniper Elite 4. Fury X is 8.6 TFLOPS and the GTX 1080 is 9 TFLOPS.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Dont really see what the big fuss is about. Compared the other luxury items people spend money on an extra few hundred for a video card is not a huge expenditure. Personally, I would never spend over 250.00 on a video card, but in a few months it is easy to spend a few hundred dollars eating out, going to movies, sporting events, drinking beer, whatever. Then look at fancy cars, vacation trips, houses. If one can afford it and a Titan is what you want, go for it.

 

[amenx]

Bit silly to think the value question is to be applied equally to a high end product vs a mid-range. It isnt exclusive to GPUs, but luxury cars, hi-end audio, watches and many other products. Not sure which elicits more indignation, Nvidia $1200 GPUs or $3,000 audio cables.

 

[KompuKare]

I'd be interested to see results for putting a Titan Xp on water as that might allow it to widen the gap. If you're going to spend $1200 on a GPU, what's an few hundred more for a good water cooling solution?

But since it only comes in the reference design, is there not more than the cooling holding it back?
I mean does the reference board have good enough power delivery to compete with aftermarket 1080Ti designs?
Certainly Nvidia's F's Edition designs are not known for being over-spec'ed.

 

[TemjinGold]

Bit silly to think the value question is to be applied equally to a high end product vs a mid-range. It isnt exclusive to GPUs, but luxury cars, hi-end audio, watches and many other products. Not sure which elicits more indignation, Nvidia $1200 GPUs or $3,000 audio cables.

Those cables seem to be $0.01.

 

[Mopetar]

But since it only comes in the reference design, is there not more than the cooling holding it back?
I mean does the reference board have good enough power delivery to compete with aftermarket 1080Ti designs?
Certainly Nvidia's F's Edition designs are not known for being over-spec'ed.

That's a fair point. Perhaps it may not matter as under water, keeping the temps low keeps the power draw down as well. If both can hit the limit of the process/architecture within their power limits then the Titan Xp will win out.

 

[guachi]

Hats off to the people who made Sniper Elite 4. Looks like they did a great job squeezing all the performance out of the cards, especially AMD.

Now, is the game actually fun?

 

[Face2Face]

I'm sure most long time members here on AnandTech could afford this $1200 card if they wanted it. For me, I don't think the Titan Xp offers enough over the 1080Ti to warrant a purchase. At least with previous Titans you got double the VRAM of the Ti models. This one is a whopping 1GB more and some extra cuda cores..hardly worth it. I can afford a Titan Xp, but Im sure as hell not buying one. If someone wishes to buy one, then by all means. Just my opinion as I'm still happy with the performance of my used $300 980Ti

 

[AdamK47]

I've been thinking of getting a 3rd Titan Xp to use as a PhysX card.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Bit silly to think the value question is to be applied equally to a high end product vs a mid-range. It isnt exclusive to GPUs, but luxury cars, hi-end audio, watches and many other products. Not sure which elicits more indignation, Nvidia $1200 GPUs or $3,000 audio cables.

Two wrongs, etc. Plus, we're not discussing cars and audio, we're discussing video cards.