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IIRC, MSI is making radeons also (although perhaps only OEM) thats the first abit board I've seen though. Looks good, but you gotta wonder how many $465 cards they can unload at this point with the next gen not far off.
 
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while the first test was even, the 2nd one was clearly won by ati
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I must be a bit slow today, I see the CoD numbers where they are neck and neck, and I see some scores for Thirteen(XIII- DX 8.1) where the ATi board pulls out a decent lead...... I'm not connecting the dots.
 
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Yeah, I only see one COD test. The 5950 was better at the max framerate, but the 9800 was better at min.

I'm guessing that no one would notice a difference in gameplay, which seems to be contrary to the prevailing view that NV is a lot better than ATI at OGL.

 
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Nvidia ruling at DX8.1 and OpenGL is a myth.

In some OpenGL games, Nvidia will dominate and even less in DX8.1 games.

I don't really see a reason to go with Nvidia unless you work with CAD and buy a Quadro.
For gaming their current line up isn't up to snuff with ATI's.

Why would you buy any Nvidia card when there is a 9600 Pro for mainstream and a 9800 Pro for high-end and under 150 and 250 respectively.
 
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Why would you buy any Nvidia card when there is a 9600 Pro for mainstream and a 9800 Pro for high-end and under 150 and 250 respectively
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For any number of reasons perhaps. 5900xt's have a good price/performance ratio under $170. Some features like Digital Vibrance are available on NV hardware with no ATI counterpart. Some games and graphic applications have decidedly better performance on NV hardware. People have preferences, and variety of uses. ti4200's are hard to beat for a budget as well. The world is not black and white VIAN.
 
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VIAN

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Come live in my world.:)

BTW, how did you become a catalyst beta tester.
 
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Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Come live in my world.:)

BTW, how did you become a catalyst beta tester.
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That's what I want to know ;) How can *I* become a beta-tester? I've got plenty of time to devote to beta-testing, and as a former software engineer myself, I think I would know what to look for moreso than your average joe.
 
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VIAN

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For any number of reasons perhaps. 5900xt's have a good price/performance ratio under $170.
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For about 10 more bucks you can get a 9700 Pro and smash the 5900 XTs performance.

Some features like Digital Vibrance are available on NV hardware with no ATI counterpart.
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Can't argue with that, although I never used it. Always thought it was a useless feature, but that's just my opinion. So is that sharp increasing thing.

Some games and graphic applications have decidedly better performance on NV hardware.
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Those are only special cases. They can decide if they want the NV for just that game, but a gamer plays many games and overall, the 9700 Pro is a better buy.
 
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Originally posted by: VIAN
Come live in my world.:)

BTW, how did you become a catalyst beta tester.
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well, with nvidia, you simply download whatever guru3d has leaked that day
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Yeah, I only see one COD test. The 5950 was better at the max framerate, but the 9800 was better at min.
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scroll down the page a bit to look at the benhcmark with aa and af. ;)

 
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I am using an ATI card right now and I can tell you for sure the image quality of Nvidia is alot better.
The transitions from textures in terrain looks all ziggly and zaggly on this 9600 on things that are in the distance.
As for AA well that is not a useful feature. It makes motion blurry and hurts my eyes on NVidia cards. It doesnt fix those Jaggly rocks on my ATI card. It doesnt even fix the jaggly lines on the straight walls.It seems to do nothing at all. Maybe the next gen will have useful AA but I doubt it. They havent made it into a useable feature in 4 years. I doubt if theyre on the verge of it yet.
 
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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
I am using an ATI card right now and I can tell you for sure the image quality of Nvidia is alot better.
The transitions from textures in terrain looks all ziggly and zaggly on this 9600 on things that are in the distance.
As for AA well that is not a useful feature. It makes motion blurry and hurts my eyes on NVidia cards. It doesnt fix those Jaggly rocks on my ATI card. It doesnt even fix the jaggly lines on the straight walls.It seems to do nothing at all. Maybe the next gen will have useful AA but I doubt it. They havent made it into a useable feature in 4 years. I doubt if theyre on the verge of it yet.
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It varies widely how good the IQ is, Leadtek cards are always incredible, Evga tends to be horrible.
 
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Originally posted by: VIAN
For any number of reasons perhaps. 5900xt's have a good price/performance ratio under $170.
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For about 10 more bucks you can get a 9700 Pro and smash the 5900 XTs performance.
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I think it was implied that the 5900XT would be overclocked and perform like a 5900 Ultra or perhaps even close to a 5950 Ultra.
 
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Genx87

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really? i got COD right when it was released (within a day or two) and ran is perfectly...


Then you were one of the lucky ones. ATI didnt release a hotfix for the game because it worked correctly.
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
really? i got COD right when it was released (within a day or two) and ran is perfectly...


Then you were one of the lucky ones. ATI didnt release a hotfix for the game because it worked correctly.
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maybe it was the drivers i was using. i found cat 3.4 to be the most stable and still use 3.4 to this day
 
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CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Nvidia ruling at DX8.1 and OpenGL is a myth.

In some OpenGL games, Nvidia will dominate and even less in DX8.1 games.

I don't really see a reason to go with Nvidia unless you work with CAD and buy a Quadro.
For gaming their current line up isn't up to snuff with ATI's.

Why would you buy any Nvidia card when there is a 9600 Pro for mainstream and a 9800 Pro for high-end and under 150 and 250 respectively.
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for the same reason you did before you became an ati fanboi ;)

different strokes for different folks.. the 9600 is not that great, even for a "mainstream" card. the 5900 was a much better value, and with prices falling the 9800pro is a much better value even tho you are paying a good deal more.

it all comes down to the best price/performance ratio available at the time (and that depends on current prices), and unless you are completely strapped for cash, with the prices of the higher end cards it just makes no sense to purchase anything with a 128-bit memory interface... and with the release of the new cards upcoming, a strong case can be made for not buying anything at all until we see the price points of upcoming cards. it's quite possible the next gen "mainstream" cards will outperform the current high-end cards, and even offer a much better price/performance ratio be it ati or nvidia.

as far as the current gen cards, they all have their +/-'s (such as overall driver stability, or issues w/ specific games), however while my 9600pro is by far the least capable (and noticeably so), my 5900/9700p/9800p all perform similarly, with exceptions in a few games where one or the other has a bit more noticeable advantage. my 5900nu (450/950) has a small overall edge than my wife's 9700pro, and the 9800pro is a bit better than both. yea, you can nitpick differences and gripe about having to lower to ps1.1 on the 5900, but the truth is none of these cards are substantially better than the other; they all play the current games decently. for example, there's not enough difference between any of them (with the exception of the 9600pro) that you can run any of these cards on FarCry, for instance, at higher settings acceptably. while the 9800pro runs about 15% faster on avg, the difference is not enough for me to be able to run at a higher res or higher settings than the 5900u w/o the 9800pro suffering peformance degredation... from all available info the next-gen cards, this will not be the case.

now, why the hell are people still arguing the nv vs ati thing?
 
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CaiNaM

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For about 10 more bucks you can get a 9700 Pro and smash the 5900 XTs performance.
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oh give me a break; i can see why even the people from the ati camp give you grief. sheesh.....
 
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