NVIDIA tells us the truth about CrossFire

[NFS4]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth

 

[otispunkmeyer]

yep

old news

but i think its pretty truthful. alot of that stuff is from ATI's website for all to see.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth

NFS4, thanks. But most of us have seen this already. But would you mind commenting on a little something while we are here?

Is there anything you see in that nvidia pr that is not true about Crossfire? At least to your knowledge?

Thanks,
Keys

 

[blurredvision]

Wow, it must be great to be NFS4. Usually, a repost-rape ensues shortly after the OP. But people are apologizing to you for having to point it out.

 

[Rage187]

it's not rape if he consents to it!


REPOST

 

[hans030390]

>.< ati is pwned if thats all true

lol

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: hans030390
>.< ati is pwned if thats all true

lol

i was told you can find alot of it in their FAQ on their site.

crossfire really does look knee jerk half assed when you read that

 

[Kalessian]

Have any of you read the discussion area of that article?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: hans030390
>.< ati is pwned if thats all true

lol

i was told you can find alot of it in their FAQ on their site.

crossfire really does look knee jerk half assed when you read that

If Crossfire is what we've seen of it so far, people will call it "Crapfire".....

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: hans030390
>.< ati is pwned if thats all true

lol

i was told you can find alot of it in their FAQ on their site.

crossfire really does look knee jerk half assed when you read that

If Crossfire is what we've seen of it so far, people will call it "Crapfire".....

how about CrossFiringBlanks

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: hans030390
>.< ati is pwned if thats all true

lol

i was told you can find alot of it in their FAQ on their site.

crossfire really does look knee jerk half assed when you read that

If Crossfire is what we've seen of it so far, people will call it "Crapfire".....

"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: Elcs
"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

MisFire is the best out of the CrossFire-bashing names.

You know, most of this whole SLI vs. XFire stuff is useless since they both only are useful to the smallest sector, the ultra high-end sector and the "OMG it's teh sli!!!!11!" crowd. As an upgrade path, it's useless.

EDIT: And I don't like how that keep using that AoE III screenshot to showcase HDR. It really makes that particular image look much worse...

 

[Josh7289]

Sorry, double posted.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Elcs
"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

MisFire is the best out of the CrossFire-bashing names.

You know, most of this whole SLI vs. XFire stuff is useless since they both only are useful to the smallest sector, the ultra high-end sector and the "OMG it's teh sli!!!!11!" crowd. As an upgrade path, it's useless.

EDIT: And I don't like how that keep using that AoE III screenshot to showcase HDR. It really makes that particular image look much worse...

i kind of agree....6800U in SLI is pointless now because for the most part the 7800GTX can do the same. but it does give you bragging rights, higher IQ oppertunity, and a sniff at next gen speed. so as an enthusiast product its good.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Elcs
"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

MisFire is the best out of the CrossFire-bashing names.

You know, most of this whole SLI vs. XFire stuff is useless since they both only are useful to the smallest sector, the ultra high-end sector and the "OMG it's teh sli!!!!11!" crowd. As an upgrade path, it's useless.

EDIT: And I don't like how that keep using that AoE III screenshot to showcase HDR. It really makes that particular image look much worse...

No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

 

[Regs]

cross firing blanks lmao.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: Rollo
No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

I'm just saying that it's not nearly a large part of either company's revenue and that it is only for enthusiasts, which is fine. I'm not bashing anyone and if your hobby is enthusiast computer parts, then by all means pursue it.

Anyway, Nvidia's slides there did have many good points, but some of them were pushing it, like does CrossFire have nTune? No! (I don't even know what it is, but it's obviously just some proprietary Nvidia creation).

Rollo, by the way, when you were listing all those pieces of hardware that were made for enthusiasts, you mentioned the FX5800 U. What exactly was special about that? (I seriously do not know)

Thanks.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Rollo
No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

I'm just saying that it's not nearly a large part of either company's revenue and that it is only for enthusiasts, which is fine. I'm not bashing anyone and if your hobby is enthusiast computer parts, then by all means pursue it.

Anyway, Nvidia's slides there did have many good points, but some of them were pushing it, like does CrossFire have nTune? No! (I don't even know what it is, but it's obviously just some proprietary Nvidia creation).

Rollo, by the way, when you were listing all those pieces of hardware that were made for enthusiasts, you mentioned the FX5800 U. What exactly was special about that? (I seriously do not know)

Thanks.

What was special about the beloved 5800U?!?!?

1. First card to 500MHz core
2. First card with 1GHz DDR2 memory
3. All cards specially built by nVidia themselves on 8 layer PCB
4. FlowFX cooling system with brass heatsinks

The 5800 U was a "hot rod" card from the ground up, there hasn't been a card built so well before or since.

BTW- this is NOT to say the ultra generic 9700Pro didn't beat it at about everything by about 5-10%, but it was pretty boring about beating it.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: Rollo
What was special about the beloved 5800U?!?!?

1. First card to 500MHz core
2. First card with 1GHz DDR2 memory
3. All cards specially built by nVidia themselves on 8 layer PCB
4. FlowFX cooling system with brass heatsinks

The 5800 U was a "hot rod" card from the ground up, there hasn't been a card built so well before or since.

BTW- this is NOT to say the ultra generic 9700Pro didn't beat it at about everything by about 5-10%, but it was pretty boring about beating it.

Okay, thanks, I understand now. ^^

 

[Regs]

Hot rod? Gas is too expensive now a days.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Rollo
No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

I'm just saying that it's not nearly a large part of either company's revenue and that it is only for enthusiasts, which is fine. I'm not bashing anyone and if your hobby is enthusiast computer parts, then by all means pursue it.

Anyway, Nvidia's slides there did have many good points, but some of them were pushing it, like does CrossFire have nTune? No! (I don't even know what it is, but it's obviously just some proprietary Nvidia creation).

Rollo, by the way, when you were listing all those pieces of hardware that were made for enthusiasts, you mentioned the FX5800 U. What exactly was special about that? (I seriously do not know)

Thanks.

What was special about the beloved 5800U?!?!?

1. First card to 500MHz core
2. First card with 1GHz DDR2 memory
3. All cards specially built by nVidia themselves on 8 layer PCB
4. FlowFX cooling system with brass heatsinks

The 5800 U was a "hot rod" card from the ground up, there hasn't been a card built so well before or since.

BTW- this is NOT to say the ultra generic 9700Pro didn't beat it at about everything by about 5-10%, but it was pretty boring about beating it.

yeah quirky hardware is cool. i liked the 5800 too. it was so beastly yet not very good at the same time, it had character, it had flaws.

much like a hotrod is beastly, makes all the right noises, but would be pummelled by a jap 4 banger.

same reason i like the PS2 over the Xbox. Xbox is the best, provides the nicest gfx, best sound, you can turn it into a media centre, xbox live is great. but it was just a pc in a console box

the PS2 hardware is just wierd....and that makes it cool

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Rollo
No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

I'm just saying that it's not nearly a large part of either company's revenue and that it is only for enthusiasts, which is fine. I'm not bashing anyone and if your hobby is enthusiast computer parts, then by all means pursue it.

Anyway, Nvidia's slides there did have many good points, but some of them were pushing it, like does CrossFire have nTune? No! (I don't even know what it is, but it's obviously just some proprietary Nvidia creation).

Rollo, by the way, when you were listing all those pieces of hardware that were made for enthusiasts, you mentioned the FX5800 U. What exactly was special about that? (I seriously do not know)

Thanks.

What was special about the beloved 5800U?!?!?

1. First card to 500MHz core
2. First card with 1GHz DDR2 memory
3. All cards specially built by nVidia themselves on 8 layer PCB
4. FlowFX cooling system with brass heatsinks

The 5800 U was a "hot rod" card from the ground up, there hasn't been a card built so well before or since.

BTW- this is NOT to say the ultra generic 9700Pro didn't beat it at about everything by about 5-10%, but it was pretty boring about beating it.

yeah quirky hardware is cool. i liked the 5800 too. it was so beastly yet not very good at the same time, it had character, it had flaws.

much like a hotrod is beastly, makes all the right noises, but would be pummelled by a jap 4 banger.

same reason i like the PS2 over the Xbox. Xbox is the best, provides the nicest gfx, best sound, you can turn it into a media centre, xbox live is great. but it was just a pc in a console box

the PS2 hardware is just wierd....and that makes it cool

Exactly. If you put the 9700/9800 on a table with a 100 other generic video cards, they're all the same.

But a V5-6K, a MAXX, a 5800U- cool stuff.

 

[compgeek89]

Just read the thread but I think NV just owned ATi where it hurts.

 

[stelleg151]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Elcs
"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

MisFire is the best out of the CrossFire-bashing names.

You know, most of this whole SLI vs. XFire stuff is useless since they both only are useful to the smallest sector, the ultra high-end sector and the "OMG it's teh sli!!!!11!" crowd. As an upgrade path, it's useless.

EDIT: And I don't like how that keep using that AoE III screenshot to showcase HDR. It really makes that particular image look much worse...

No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

Although I will never buy SLI, that is one of the best defenses of SLI that I have heard.

 

[TheMouse]

Originally posted by: stelleg151

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: Elcs
"Misfire" would be more appropriate I think.

Anandtechs review showed it in good light I believe but it needs to be out and able to do what Nvidia does but better.

MisFire is the best out of the CrossFire-bashing names.

You know, most of this whole SLI vs. XFire stuff is useless since they both only are useful to the smallest sector, the ultra high-end sector and the "OMG it's teh sli!!!!11!" crowd. As an upgrade path, it's useless.

EDIT: And I don't like how that keep using that AoE III screenshot to showcase HDR. It really makes that particular image look much worse...

No way dude- SLI is teh roxor.

(seriously)

A lot of you are probably too young to remember the original SLI, but back then if you were an enthusiast, you had it.

Personally, I don't care if it's S3/XGI that brings this back to the gaming arena, but it needs to be here.

I've been computer gaming since 1988 and can tell you that until nV40 SLI, pc hardware had gotten pretty boring.

New cards, new features, faster speeds....oh well. Back in the day it was add on cards, specialty cards, and multiple cards- WAY more fun. If you don't think Crossfire and SLI are important market segment, thats fine.

Some of us think the V2 SLI, the V5 6000, the MAXX, the 5800Ultra, the 6800/7800SLI, and possibly Crossfire, deserve consideration because they are hardware designed for enthusiasts, like enthusiasts would design hardware. Not necessarily "bang for buck", but niche market "I want cool hardware".

Although I will never buy SLI, that is one of the best defenses of SLI that I have heard.

While I agree that it needs to here... 3dfx SLI (and the rage fury maxx) weren't that efficient. Many hardware enthusiast sites considered them failures, including the two sites I had authored for in the past. This kept the adoption of both of these very low. nVidia certainly did a better job when they re-released SLI. I commend them for that.... It's important to note that the current SLI and crossfire are both second attempts by both nVidia and ATI to utilize two GPUs together (maybeit one with two cards, the other with a single card).


SLI and crossfire makes it a lot easier for nVidia and ATI. It allows insane performance with very little R&D cost. Since both companies make most their profit from mainstream GPUs... why should they spend so much money developing a high-end $800 GPU, when they can easily couple two of their current cards to achieve the same performance? They've increased the range of performance they can offer greately without much additional R&D. The GPU race from here on will be interesting....