Nvidia takes back almost 9% market share in Q2 from AMD in notebook discrete GPUs

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notty22

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Of course there is hype involved. Nvidia or whoever is doing the marketing wants prospective customers to know they care/ are working. They may not be in your next console but they still will be developing/engineering gaming.
Right now we have AMD not wanting to delude their efforts and are staying away from smart phones. Nvidia is not going to be in the 3 big home consoles. But will be in various Playstation portables.
 

SirPauly

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What I would like to see is cross-platform gaming so gamers of many platforms can engage each other in co-op or multi-play.
 

RussianSensation

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This caught my eye linked from google finance/related to Nvidia.

That article got some laughs out of me.

“Today we have two of the three consoles that operate in full high-definition and are running games at 60 frames per second,” Brown said.

False. Consoles cannot run any modern games at 60 fps at full 1080P (not upscaled) with 4AA/16AF. BF3 will only be running at 30 fps and that's not even at 1080P......Most PS3 and 360 games run at 1280x720 and some are running at 1024x600. This myth has continued throughout the entire PS3 / 360 generation. The fact is, 99.9% of all consoles games aren't running at native 1080P resolution. :rolleyes:

“If you step back and say if it’s a multibillion capital dollar investment for the next generation, the question I would ask is ‘if you were to produce that then what would you display it on?’ There’s really nothing in terms of broadly available consumer viewing technology other than 1080p flat panel televisions. And so you could upgrade in theory, but you wouldn’t get the obvious graphical benefit that we saw really drove the sharp transitions in the prior cycle.”

Here we go. The same thing must have been said every new console launch. I love how these developers will come up with all kinds of BS reasons why we should all cling to ancient hardware. He should just be a grown up and come out and say it like it is: I am in the business to make $, and as such I am not looking forward to spending $20 million on hiring talented artists to extract better graphics from all this awesome new hardware. I would much rather see you console "noobs" continue to pay me $60 for Gears of War Version 1386, running on the same engine I designed in 2006.

Also, with smartphones advancing every month, we should have seen declining game sales since he is implying that more people are starting to play on these capable devices, in turn abandoning traditional consoles/PC. Yet, BF3 and Black Ops are going to break their franchise sales records once again. Clearly, core gamers aren't interested in gaming on tablets or smartphones, regardless of how powerful they are getting. What he is talking about being able to wirelessly transmit a game like Gears of War 6 onto a 50 inch TV at 1080P won't happen with smartphones for another 5-10 years, at least.

Battlefield 3 preorders are 24x BF2 in UK. This guy should worry about how they are going to resurrect the forgotten Unreal franchise after they sold out to consoles, rather that come up with comments that we don't need next generation graphical capabilities on consoles because of 1080P limitation.

OR maybe he thinks iPhone 8 will have the hardware to stream graphics like this in 5 years?

He can't be serious, right? Every single major graphical improvement from now is going to take a massive increase in horsepower. To improve graphics we require realistic physics, lightning and tessellation. All of those things will eat hp for breakfast. The trend with stylish smartphones like iPhone and Android is to go thinner/slimmer with improved battery life. So we definately need consoles that are 10x as powerful or we'll just continue to have COD 15 with 2006 graphics.
 
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AnandThenMan

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That sounds like a bunch of hype. Kal-El and tablets are not powerful enough just yet to replace consoles. It'll be a step backwards.
Sounds to me like Nvidia knows they are out of the console graphics business, so they are trumpeting about Tegra in other devices. Actually this might be a veiled admission that Nvidia is indeed not going to be contracted for any of the next gen consoles.

Or I could be reaching, but something tells me I'm not.
 

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Sounds to me like Nvidia knows they are out of the console graphics business, so they are trumpeting about Tegra in other devices. Actually this might be a veiled admission that Nvidia is indeed not going to be contracted for any of the next gen consoles.

Or I could be reaching, but something tells me I'm not.
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Red Hawk

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"Today we have two of the three consoles that operate in full high-definition and are running games at 60 frames per second,” Brown said."

Now that is just blatantly lying through his teeth. The vast majority of games on PS3 and 360 run at 720p and around 30 frames per second. A couple PS3 games (the "MLB: The Show" series is the only one that comes to mind) run at true 1080p, but they don't scratch 60 fps. Some games, like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, run at 60 fps, but they display even lower than 720p and upscale. Anyone who knows a lick about the tech behind consoles should know this, especially him; this can't be a case of ignorance, it's downright deceit.

If this is what game developers have to do to justify staving off the next generation of consoles -- exaggerating current consoles so it doesn't look like we have much to gain -- then bring on the Xbox 720 and PS4, baby.
 

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Well, I don't even think there is any demand for a new console. People are satisfied with the level of graphics offered atm. And MSFT and SONY dont mind because new consoles means much higher costs.
 

RussianSensation

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Well, I don't even think there is any demand for a new console. People are satisfied with the level of graphics offered atm. And MSFT and SONY dont mind because new consoles means much higher costs.

That's probably true. In today's uncertain economic times, most gamers who own consoles continue to claim that they can't "afford" to upgrade to a new console for $500. Of course they can afford to continue to spend $60 on every new console game....go figure. :confused:

I am a PC gamer myself (haven't owned a console since N64 days). Every time I play console games over at friends, I am amazed at how horrible PS3's/360's graphics are in mutliplayer split screen modes. And yet, none of them shares this sentiment with me. My friends think current console games have awesome graphics and more shocking they argue that there is no need for better graphics. It's a shame that console owners have such low standards.
 

Red Hawk

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People are satisfied because there's no good alternative. Once next-gen consoles come out, full 1080p resolution, more realistic lighting, details, animations, and physics, and possibly full 3D capabilities would draw people in. People weren't exactly shouting in the streets for the PS3 and 360 when they were still at the beginning of their development, either.
 

pw38

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Not really, because AMD offers discrete mobile products still. Think it is more in-line with having a more complete line of DirectX 11 sku's with Optimus technologies.

Ah, that makes sense, thanks.
 

Arkadrel

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Mobile gaming. What an oxymoron. There are enough accidents caused by cell phones. That's all we need are some mobile WOW addicts that can't watch the road.

This had me Lmao...

Hopefully its kids who take the bus, or sit in the passenger seat, and not people driveing the cars that will be useing them.

However, theres always going to be that one dude that tries to do both, and then ends up killing him/her-self and the others he/she crashes into.
 

Keysplayr

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This had me Lmao...

Hopefully its kids who take the bus, or sit in the passenger seat, and not people driveing the cars that will be useing them.

However, theres always going to be that one dude that tries to do both, and then ends up killing him/her-self and the others he/she crashes into.

Oh it's much more widespread than you would think. In the city, the streets are almost completely filled with zombies as they walk into an intersection while using their mobile devices. I don't do this. I will stand on the sidewalk OUT OF PEOPLES WAY and check my device if I need to. I predict total human contact detachment within 10 years. Resistance is futile.

On topic, impressive Nvidia came back so quickly.
 

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Aren't ya glad that I didn't post the other article in the wild out there showing intel taking market share from both?

Back offtopic . Me and wife took grand children to Fair thursday night . These younger people are as rude as I have ever seen . I went after one and wife had to jump on my back . Wife said are your crazy . Your to sick to even think about it.
 

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Sounds to me like Nvidia knows they are out of the console graphics business, so they are trumpeting about Tegra in other devices. Actually this might be a veiled admission that Nvidia is indeed not going to be contracted for any of the next gen consoles.

Or I could be reaching, but something tells me I'm not.

Looking at AMDs bottom line if I was NV I wouldn't want to be in that market. He does have a valid point tho. Not so much with smart phones . As I see AMD people constantly saying how notebooks will be gaming monsters because of llano and maybe zacata on tablets. I do have to agree that it may very well pull people away from console gaming . I nice cheap docking station would do well.
 

notty22

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More data for the financial picture. Can't wait to see next quarter AMD numbers based on not being able to buy a 6970 or 6990 for almost a month now.
JPR: Discrete GPU shipments down 15.2%, Nvidia still leads


The second quarter of the year saw some 16.1 million discrete graphics cards shipped worldwide, according to the latest numbers from Jon Peddie Research. This figure represents a 15.2% drop from the 19.03 million recorded in the previous quarter, which is in line with the typical seasonal drop for the period.
In terms of market share, the drop in shipments didn't affect the position of main players Nvidia and AMD, who saw only a slight change in their respective share. The former still has a sizable lead over AMD, with a drop of 0.1% from Q1 to 59%, while the red team is holding on to a 40.6% market share after gaining 0.1% sequentially. Other smaller manufacturers, like Matrox and S3, grabbed the remaining 0.4% of the pie.
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waffleironhead

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More data for the financial picture. Can't wait to see next quarter AMD numbers based on not being able to buy a 6970 or 6990 for almost a month now.
JPR: Discrete GPU shipments down 15.2%, Nvidia still leads

I can't believe you keep spreading these lies. Every time you spout this BS I go and look at newegg and BAM! look there is one for sale.

Maybe they are selling so well that they cant keep them in stock?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161382
 

Spikesoldier

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I can't believe you keep spreading these lies. Every time you spout this BS I go and look at newegg and BAM! look there is one for sale.

Maybe they are selling so well that they cant keep them in stock?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161382

he'll find anything to cheer for his favorite team. even if it means thinking that those top SKU's are the ones moving in the most volume. which even with the bitcoin frenzy, cant be true.

its ok, it wont be the first unfounded rumor that he and some others perptuate; see FUD about laser'ed 6950 gpu's being 'cut' and unlockable.
 

Genx87

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I can't believe you keep spreading these lies. Every time you spout this BS I go and look at newegg and BAM! look there is one for sale.

Maybe they are selling so well that they cant keep them in stock?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161382

It is weird there is only 4 available products, 3 of which are out of stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1&srchInDesc=

And only a single 6990 at 750 bucks that is also out of stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102927


Is AMD having production issues? Newegg should have more than 4 sku's for the 6970. The 580 has 21 skus.
 

Spikesoldier

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It is weird there is only 4 available products, 3 of which are out of stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1&srchInDesc=

And only a single 6990 at 750 bucks that is also out of stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102927


Is AMD having production issues? Newegg should have more than 4 sku's for the 6970. The 580 has 21 skus.

usually when newegg has stopped listing them either they have been decativated or they aren't expecting them for a long time.

either they sold really well, or amd has stopped production.

tapering supply towards the end of the lifecycle i guess can avoid heavily discounting excess stock that eats into sales of the new gen cards. or is it truly a supply problem?
 

Genx87

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usually when newegg has stopped listing them either they have been decativated or they aren't expecting them for a long time.

either they sold really well, or amd has stopped production.

tapering supply towards the end of the lifecycle i guess can avoid heavily discounting excess stock that eats into sales of the new gen cards. or is it truly a supply problem?

It is an interesting question that nobody seems to be answering. If Newegg delisted them, that would indicate they arent expecting a shipment for a long time. That has nothing to do with demand. Because if people want to buy them, newegg would keep it up with an auto-notify for the next shipment.

I thought the 7000 series wasnt due until Oct or later? Seems weird they would cede the top single GPU market to Nvidia's 580. And even if they werent competing directly with the 580 with the 6970. They arent competing agaisnt the 570 either.
 
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