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Silent gaming rig is like talking about a silent F-1 car...
stupid analogy. no car enthusiast would want a silent car because engine noise is part of the draw and visceral feeling. at the same time no one ever says wow that video card fan sounds cool, rev it up some more. in other words a pc is there to give you enjoyable results on the screen not a bunch of noisy fan racket.
 
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Lonbjerg

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stupid analogy. no car enthusiast would want a silent car because engine noise is part of the draw and visceral feeling. at the same time no one ever says wow that video card fan sounds cool, rev it up some more. in other words a pc is there to give you enjoyable results on the screen not a bunch of noisy fan racket.

I'd take more "noise" for more performance anyday.
Otherwise I wouldn't be buying high-range...
 

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I'd take more "noise" for more performance anyday.
Otherwise I wouldn't be buying high-range...
well that's you but again the car analogy made no sense. luckily for people like you AMD/Nvidia can make shitty loud coolers while the rest of us that want a pleasurable gaming experience have non reference options.
 
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Lonbjerg

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well that's you but again the car analogy made no sense.

Actually it does.
More performance = more power used = more heat to dissapate = more noise.
Hence a highend card has more noise than a low range...just like a FIAT punto has less power and less noise than a F-1 racing car...
 

WelshBloke

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I'd take more "noise" for more performance anyday.
Otherwise I wouldn't be buying high-range...

I'd say theres always a balance to be made. I want very quiet on idle but I'm willing to have a bit more noise for the increased performance.

The reason for me buying highend would be I can get that performance at a decent noise level.
If I bought a lesser card I'd have to overclock it to get the performance and the noise levels then go up, high end with a decent cooler shouldnt be that noisy.
 

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Actually it does.
More performance = more power used = more heat to dissapate = more noise.
Hence a highend card has more noise than a low range...just like a FIAT punto has less power and less noise than a F-1 racing car...
again NO it doesn't. people that want fast cars usually want the great engine sounds that come with it. nobody, unless they are an idiot, would choose to have a loud noisy video card if given the option not too.
 

Keysplayr

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How is it not relevant to mention that it's nothing new compared to competitors? Seriously, this place is becoming stranger and stranger every day...

I think a mod already addressed that particular quote, T2k. But thanks.
 

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Actually it does.
More performance = more power used = more heat to dissapate = more noise.
Hence a highend card has more noise than a low range...just like a FIAT punto has less power and less noise than a F-1 racing car...

5870 is faster and quieter than a GTX470. So which would you choose?

Well, YOU would choose the 470, but most people would choose the 5870 cause its faster and quieter.
 

Lonbjerg

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5870 is faster and quieter than a GTX470. So which would you choose?

Well, YOU would choose the 470, but most people would choose the 5870 cause its faster and quieter.

I'd take the GTX480...due to more performance ^_^
 

T2k

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again NO it doesn't. people that want fast cars usually want the great engine sounds that come with it. nobody, unless they are an idiot, would choose to have a loud noisy video card if given the option not too.

It depends. When you play you have either headphones on and cannot hear it or you have your sound system on and you cannot hear it so I can imagine if idling is quiet people don't care...
 

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It depends. When you play you have either headphones on and cannot hear it or you have your sound system on and you cannot hear it so I can imagine if idling is quiet people don't care...
the POINT was that people usually want the associated engine noise of a performance car. at the same time IF you could buy a loud or quiet gtx480 which one would you choose? some people only put up with the noise because they think they have too.
 

T2k

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the POINT was that people usually want the associated engine noise of a performance car. at the same time IF you could buy a loud or quiet gtx480 which one would you choose? some people only put up with the noise because they think they have too.

Fair enough though I wouldn't buy a car for its engine noise either but hey, I don't even need one here (NYC) anyway... ;)
 

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Fair enough though I wouldn't buy a car for its engine noise either but hey, I don't even need one here (NYC) anyway... ;)
well a car enthusiast usually loves the distinct sound that their favorite car makes. I still love hearing a Mustang GT crank up even though I have no interest in buying one.
 

SirPauly

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imho,

It's good to see default improvements with cooling for the higher end. Also thought in extremer testing, the acoustics and thermals, well, it wasn't a strength.

Love the demo with multiple displacements maps and another reason why tessellation potential is wonderful to me.
 

SirPauly

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I'd take the GTX480...due to more performance ^_^

imho,

That's the strength, and its feature set. And if the thermals and acoustics did bother some, there were avenues that one could travel, from exotic AIB solutions, to water cooling, or solutions like ThermalWare.

All the drama and blanket views were astonishing and yet the GTX 470 I have runs very, very quiet and very, very cool. It's great that some AIB's differentiate and try to improve upon the default offerings.
 
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Arkadrel

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I'd take more "noise" for more performance anyday.
Otherwise I wouldn't be buying high-range...

Actually it does.
More performance = more power used = more heat to dissapate = more noise.
Hence a highend card has more noise than a low range...just like a FIAT punto has less power and less noise than a F-1 racing car...

Yes I see your analogy,... geforce is the F1 racer, so it should sound like one: (watch video below)


Spoof (made by nvidia themselfs) for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4
 
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blastingcap

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You're assuming now? Could I have really set off some fireworks in there and not have half of them notice? Please don't exaggerate, you saw the vid, you saw the MEH expression on their faces as the Nvidia guy even had to coax them into applause because they didn't seem to care about the improvements in noise/cooling. Do you deny this? Or are their attention spans only selectively short and come into full focus when evaluating the noise a given PC generates?
I need consistency here.

The way I saw it, people fell silent because the Achilles heel of GTX480 was heat/power/noise, and people felt uncomfortable that the guy was talking about it. It's as if the king was born with a huge wart on his nose and everybody knew it for years... and then he called a meeting of nobles. At the meeting he starts talking about warts. The nobles are like... whoa... and look at each other uncomfortably during the king's speech--until it became obvious he was talking about how he discovered a magical wart-removing spell.
 
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psoomah

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I recall a general consensus Nvidia changed the way they calculated their TDP on the GTX480 because they couldn't get it under the 300w requirement using their usual way of measuring it, which was born out when Furmark did indeed put it well over 300 TDP.

This was inherently dishonest and inserted confusion into what was a fairly standard measurement.

Furmark is designed to fully load GPUs and is a rational yardstick to use to determine the TDP of a GPU and give the buyer a known standard to base their purchase on.
 

Aristotelian

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I recall a general consensus Nvidia changed the way they calculated their TDP on the GTX480 because they couldn't get it under the 300w requirement using their usual way of measuring it, which was born out when Furmark did indeed put it well over 300 TDP.

This was inherently dishonest and inserted confusion into what was a fairly standard measurement.

Furmark is designed to fully load GPUs and is a rational yardstick to use to determine the TDP of a GPU and give the buyer a known standard to base their purchase on.

What I have been reading on these forums over the past few days (from people such as Apoppin and others) is that Furmark stresses the GPU to an 'absolute worst' level which is impossible to encounter in any real world scenario. If this is true, I'm not sure how rational a yardstick Furmark is. It might be ideal for testing overclocking stability, but in terms of power draw...perhaps gaming/cuda whatever scenarios are sufficient.
 

RussianSensation

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Spoof (made by nvidia themselfs) for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

So funny. :biggrin:

In the Aliens vs. Triangles video, he was talking about multi-layer displacement maps w/ tessellation. When they fired the laser at the Alien, the effect was actually decent. The multi-layer approach to tessellation seems like it could potentially improve the visuals in games if coded effectively.
 
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