NVIDIA set to gain market share, 560 soon?

[Wreckage]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/90516/20101209/.htm

One of the things I found interesting about this article is that it specifically mentions the 560.

Graphics chip maker Nvidia (NVDA) appears poised to regain share in the high-end PC graphics market with the GTX 580/570/560 product family

The other thing was this

new notebook PC graphics design wins for Intel's SandyBridge processor platform (200 versus 125 for previous generation), MacBook Air win, and Tegra 2 smartphone/Web tablet platforms.

What's with all the Sandybridge design wins? Is it Optimus or is Sandybrige not going to be fast enough on its own?

 

[happy medium]

Nvidia= "the comeback kid"

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.
Back to top to bottom ownage.

I have a feeling its gonna get quiet around here real soon.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The GTX460 was a popular part. Assuming the 560 is a fully enabled GF104, or 114, whatever they are calling it, it could be a popular part as well. What might hurt Nvidia is that this will likely not be a part worth upgrading from a GTX460, 58xx, or 68xx part. It could be a great part for GTS450 and 5770 level cards. Of course AMD can always drop prices on the 68xx cards as well. I doubt this part will pull in huge market share so much as just provide another viable option for gamers.

 

[Skurge]

Nvidia= "the comeback kid"

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.
Back to top to bottom ownage.

I have a feeling its gonna get quiet around here real soon.

What were the other nails?

 

[DaveSimmons]

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series. Back to top to bottom ownage.

More accurately: "back to competition again"

nvidia spent awhile wandering in the frozen wastes with only the heat of a gf100 to keep it warm, but they've found their way back to the path of offering good cards.

AMD only needs to drop prices, just like nvidia did in response to 68xx, to offer equivalent value.

 

[Teizo]

Nvidia= "the comeback kid"

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.
Back to top to bottom ownage.

I have a feeling its gonna get quiet around here real soon.

The 460 holds it's own just fine against the 6850, but Nvidia is going to need two chips to tackle the 68's full on...namely the 560/550, provided Nvidia stays with the current performance improvements so that 560=470=6870 and 550=460=6850. From there the 540 and 530 will be the lower end stuff to go against what, AMD Caicos or Turks....? I forget the names.

I doubt Nvidia will 'own' them though, because a few frames in real world game play is not noticeable, but Nvidia is in a good place atm to offer gpu's with a 'slight' fps advantage in all segments if things continue in the direction they are going (unless the 6950/6970 end up a little faster) once the line up is completed early next year.

 

[Genx87]

The GTX460 was a popular part. Assuming the 560 is a fully enabled GF104, or 114, whatever they are calling it, it could be a popular part as well. What might hurt Nvidia is that this will likely not be a part worth upgrading from a GTX460, 58xx, or 68xx part. It could be a great part for GTS450 and 5770 level cards. Of course AMD can always drop prices on the 68xx cards as well. I doubt this part will pull in huge market share so much as just provide another viable option for gamers.

I'd expect about the same performance increase for the 560 over the 460 as we saw in the 580 and 570. ~15-20%. Which would make it a very good part in the 200-240 dollar range.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.

I'm stealing this joke from another poster:

It will be the final screw.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'd expect about the same performance increase for the 560 over the 460 as we saw in the 580 and 570. ~15-20%. Which would make it a very good part in the 200-240 dollar range.

Right, basically the difference between a 480 and 580. Not too many people with 480's would be willing to jump to 580's. Seeing as a lot of people that are willing to spend $200-$250 jumped on the GTX460 when it was really the only good option (the GTX465 and 5830 failed to deliver) at that price, I don't know that this part would be as big of a splash as the GTX460 was.

 

[happy medium]

More accurately: "back to competition again"

nvidia spent awhile wandering in the frozen wastes with only the heat of a gf100 to keep it warm, but they've found their way back to the path of offering good cards.

AMD only needs to drop prices, just like nvidia did in response to 68xx, to offer equivalent value.

I agree, sorry for the sarcasm.

 

[happy medium]

I'm stealing this joke from another poster:

It will be the final screw.

and it was just as funny the second time.

 

[Genx87]

Right, basically the difference between a 480 and 580. Not too many people with 480's would be willing to jump to 580's. Seeing as a lot of people that are willing to spend $200-$250 jumped on the GTX460 when it was really the only good option (the GTX465 and 5830 failed to deliver) at that price, I don't know that this part would be as big of a splash as the GTX460 was.

There are millions of users who are still using DX10 or less GPUs looking to upgrade. I'd expect this to be a very good selling part like the 460 has been.

 

[Teizo]

I wonder if Nvidia is going to use the Vapor Chamber on the 560, or leave room for the AIB's to come up with their own designs to help distinquish themselves from one another. So far with the 580/570...there is not much for further innovation over the reference design.

 

[Genx87]

I wonder if Nvidia is going to use the Vapor Chamber on the 560, or leave room for the AIB's to come up with their own designs to help distinquish themselves from one another. So far with the 580/570...there is not much for further innovation over the reference design.

I'd guess it depends on how much it costs. This being a lower priced part there may not be room if they want to keep margins high for card makers. If it did, this card should be very quiet.

 

[Barfo]

I'm stealing this joke from another poster:

It will be the final screw.

LMAO!

If the 560 is priced right then yes, I see the green team going back to complete dominance once again.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There are millions of users who are still using DX10 or less GPUs looking to upgrade. I'd expect this to be a very good selling part like the 460 has been.

I suppose it could be. I think the GTX460 arrived when gamers were starving for a good option in that price range. I guess for those that haven't upgraded yet, you'd be right.

But, assuming this card offers roughly 6870 performance, AMD could drop their price and move parts just the same.

I guess what I am getting at is that I don't see this part causing great shifts in marketshare so much as there being good options on either side, unlike when the GTX460 ruled those price points pretty well by itself.

 

[Genx87]

I suppose it could be. I think the GTX460 arrived when gamers were starving for a good option in that price range. I guess for those that haven't upgraded yet, you'd be right.

But, assuming this card offers roughly 6870 performance, AMD could drop their price and move parts just the same.

I guess what I am getting at is that I don't see this part causing great shifts in marketshare so much as there being good options on either side, unlike when the GTX460 ruled those price points pretty well by itself.

Hard to say. I dont really think any of these cards are making splash's. Nvidia seems to still be in a great position on the desktop side of things even before the 460. I think they will continue to gobble up marketshare for 2011. I wont make a solid prediction. But I will wont be surprised if Nvidia closes in on 50% marketshare in DX11 on Steam by the end of 2011. They grabbed 20% since April without having anything but a high end product line until July.

 

[SolMiester]

I went from 6600GT to 9600GT missing 7600GT & 8600GT. If I get another card the GTX560 will be the one, missing the 2xx series and the GTX460.. No way I can afford high end any more.

 

[Phynaz]

Translation:
Nvidia's market share in the high end is next to nothing, there's no place to go but up.

 

[Phanuel]

I'm confused, did I miss the memo where this is the nVidia circle 'thingy' where the green team PRs and ignores reason?


Are the 69XXs out and benchmarked and I missed it? If so, is the 580/570 top of the hill with these two AMD cards compared?


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[MentalIlness]

Nvidia= "the comeback kid"

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.
Back to top to bottom ownage.

I have a feeling its gonna get quiet around here real soon.

I have no idea why people seem to think that the 6870 was released to combat the 5 Series from NV. It wasn't.

It was to fight the 460 sales. At least that is what "you" guys said before.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I have no idea why people seem to think that the 6870 was released to combat the 5 Series from NV. It wasn't.

It was to fight the 460 sales. At least that is what "you" guys said before.

I think the 6800 series is equally responsible for delivering 5800 performance at better margins for AMD, since the Barts die is 75% the size of Cypress, while combating the GTX 460 and 470. And ultimately this means lower prices for consumers.

And generationally speaking, the midrange of the current gen has traditionally matched the high end of the previous gen. The HD 6870 does this. The HD 5770 did this. The HD 4670 did this.

Huh, there is a weird trend with midrange going. x6xx -> x7xxx -> x8xxx. I guess the 6800 series isn't that misleading at all!

 

[MangoX]

And generationally speaking, the midrange of the current gen has traditionally matched the high end of the previous gen. The HD 6870 does this. The HD 5770 did this. The HD 4670 did this.

Huh, there is a weird trend with midrange going. x6xx -> x7xxx -> x8xxx. I guess the 6800 series isn't that misleading at all!

Hmm good catch. I didn't even realize this. I think they'll stay with x9xx perpetually.

 

[sandorski]

Someone else pointed out very well in another thread that there's no way, mathematically speaking, that NVidia won't gain DX11 Marketshare.

Just thought I'd throw that out here before every future change is heralded as massive ownage.

 

[Wreckage]

The 6870 is currently AMD's "high end" at least until they can get something better out. I think their marketing department hurt them by doing that name switch. The 560 is probably a 470 replacement as they phase those out, so I expect performance to be the same. Faster than AMD's current high end for around $250.