Nvidia schedules G72 GPU release in early 2006

[CaiNaM]

could be out by the time xt's are truly avail? would be interesting to see what clockspeed are attainable....

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edit: doh.. someone else posting the same thing, lol...

 

[Genx87]

I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

i doubt we will see more pipes. clockspeed certainly could see an increase, but we will just have to see how the yields are.

perhaps more interesting is the smaller die size allowing for dual gpu cards....

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

going to 90 nm I would guess +550Mhz core

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

i doubt we will see more pipes. clockspeed certainly could see an increase, but we will just have to see how the yields are.

perhaps more interesting is the smaller die size allowing for dual gpu cards....

Yeah I read the other thread about dual cores. My contention was from the beginning that the 7800GTX may have been a 32 pipe design with a quad disabled to increase yields and letting it sit in wait for the R520 or R580.

But if they are talking dual core solutions then that theory is wiped off the face of the earth imo.

 

[Hyperlite]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

going to 90 nm I would guess +550Mhz core

but the X1800XT is already 625...

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yeah I read the other thread about dual cores. My contention was from the beginning that the 7800GTX may have been a 32 pipe design with a quad disabled to increase yields and letting it sit in wait for the R520 or R580.

But if they are talking dual core solutions then that theory is wiped off the face of the earth imo.

well, dual gpu would make it what.. 48 pipes? exceeding even your expectations

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

going to 90 nm I would guess +550Mhz core

but the X1800XT is already 625...

Think of it like AMD vs Intel in mhz battle. Nvidia does more pr. clock than ATi.

 

[crazydingo]

Usually the higher clocked versions of the flagship series ends in a 5. ex: NV30 -> NV35

 

[HighCalibreHooch]

Are these G72 chips the mid-range chips coming, i.e. are they going to be called 7600/7600GT?

 

[Maluno]

In response to ^^^, I believe they will be released sometime before next year, but I am not sure. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: Maluno
In response to ^^^, I believe they will be released sometime before next year, but I am not sure. Correct me if I am wrong.

It's possible they will, but the G72 is not the mid-range or budget-parts, I'm pretty sure.

However, Nvidia may just continue to lower the prices of their old high end and mid-range cards, like the 6800GT and the 6600GT, to current mid-range and low-end prices, respectively. And given the price/performance of the X1K series mid-range and low-end parts, this is very very good for Nvidia. Already, they have cards that beat the X1300 Pro 256 MB and the X1600XT 256 MB for $100 less each. The only slight slight difference is a lack of Transparency AA on the GeForce 6 Series compared to the GeForce 7 Series, and ATI has their equivalent Adaptive AA on all of their recent cards. But that is, again, a very minor point since these cards are meant to be run at 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 with no AA or AF anyway, for the most part.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Josh7289
And given the price/performance of the X1K series mid-range and low-end parts, this is very very good for Nvidia. Already, they have cards that beat the X1300 Pro 256 MB and the X1600XT 256 MB for $100 less each. The only slight slight difference is a lack of Transparency AA on the GeForce 6 Series compared to the GeForce 7 Series, and ATI has their equivalent Adaptive AA on all of their recent cards. But that is, again, a very minor point since these cards are meant to be run at 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 with no AA or AF anyway, for the most part.

$100 less ?

6800 beats X1600XT and costs $40 less, 6600GT beats X1300 Pro and costs the same. Where did $100 less come from?

 

[jotosuds]

i just want 7800GT prices to go down

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Josh7289
And given the price/performance of the X1K series mid-range and low-end parts, this is very very good for Nvidia. Already, they have cards that beat the X1300 Pro 256 MB and the X1600XT 256 MB for $100 less each. The only slight slight difference is a lack of Transparency AA on the GeForce 6 Series compared to the GeForce 7 Series, and ATI has their equivalent Adaptive AA on all of their recent cards. But that is, again, a very minor point since these cards are meant to be run at 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 with no AA or AF anyway, for the most part.

$100 less ?

6800 beats X1600XT and costs $40 less, 6600GT beats X1300 Pro and costs the same. Where did $100 less come from?

Huh, I don't know what I was thinking...Let me think again...

Okay, not the X1300 Pro, but the 6600GT. It beats the X1600XT for $100 less. As for the X1300 Pro, it's absolutely useless as it's the same price as the X1600XT-beating 6600GT. I guess that's what I meant...O.O

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Josh7289

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Josh7289
And given the price/performance of the X1K series mid-range and low-end parts, this is very very good for Nvidia. Already, they have cards that beat the X1300 Pro 256 MB and the X1600XT 256 MB for $100 less each. The only slight slight difference is a lack of Transparency AA on the GeForce 6 Series compared to the GeForce 7 Series, and ATI has their equivalent Adaptive AA on all of their recent cards. But that is, again, a very minor point since these cards are meant to be run at 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 with no AA or AF anyway, for the most part.

$100 less ?

6800 beats X1600XT and costs $40 less, 6600GT beats X1300 Pro and costs the same. Where did $100 less come from?

Huh, I don't know what I was thinking...Let me think again...

Okay, not the X1300 Pro, but the 6600GT. It beats the X1600XT for $100 less. As for the X1300 Pro, it's absolutely useless as it's the same price as the X1600XT-beating 6600GT. I guess that's what I meant...O.O

guru3d thinks otherwise:

The Radeon X1600 XT then, a very striking series. For the money that is going to be one kickass mid-range product ! For the money you have to pay this card will bring the most performance. It's the new GeForce 6600 GT and can be compared to it from a performance and feature level, in most cases it definitely was faster though. It offers heaps of features and functionality for a fair sum of money. This series can be a big hit as the performance it offers is rather good.

Figures ..

 

[HighCalibreHooch]

Originally posted by: jotosuds
i just want 7800GT prices to go down

I suppose that makes more sense. It's better for the consumer if nvidia drops their 7800GT pricing to x level, rather than demand they release an inferior chip (or a crippled 7800T) at x level.

 

[rpsgc]

Some info, is it reliable info? I don't know.

NVIDIA can officially issue its G70 series in this month 22nd the high end graph chip, but supplies the mainstream (12 pipelines versions) and is inexpensive (8 pipelines versions) market GeForce 7,600 (G72) and 7,200 (G74?)

It's a babelfish translation, I don't know the original article, I saw it here

OK, found the original article, if you understand chinese go for it! --> http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/056/12/128121.htm

 

[MX2]

Make it stop

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
guru3d thinks otherwise:

The Radeon X1600 XT then, a very striking series. For the money that is going to be one kickass mid-range product ! For the money you have to pay this card will bring the most performance. It's the new GeForce 6600 GT and can be compared to it from a performance and feature level, in most cases it definitely was faster though. It offers heaps of features and functionality for a fair sum of money. This series can be a big hit as the performance it offers is rather good.

Figures ..

well, they're certainly the exception (most other reviews found the 1300/1600 and 1800xl series disappointing).. although they can't seem to figure out if it's x1600xl or x1600xt? ck the link you supplied:

"The Radeon X1600 XL then, a very striking series. For the money that is going to be one kickass mid-range product ! For the money you have to pay this card will bring the most performance. It's the new GeForce 6600 GT and can be compared to it from a performance and feature level, in most cases it definitely was faster though. It offers heaps of features and functionality for a fair sum of money. This series can be a big hit as the performance it offers is rather good."

you must have edited it?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am curious how Nvidia will approach this. Currently the X1800XT seems to win a good amount of benchmarks against the stock 430Mhz 7800GTX.

Will Nvidia take the process shrink to increase speeds to 480Mhz with partners pushing it over 500Mhz? Or will Nvidia be content to simply sit back in reap the rewards of increased margins from a cheaper die.

Or will Nvidia surprise us with a 32 pipe card?????

i doubt we will see more pipes. clockspeed certainly could see an increase, but we will just have to see how the yields are.

perhaps more interesting is the smaller die size allowing for dual gpu cards....

Yeah I read the other thread about dual cores. My contention was from the beginning that the 7800GTX may have been a 32 pipe design with a quad disabled to increase yields and letting it sit in wait for the R520 or R580.

But if they are talking dual core solutions then that theory is wiped off the face of the earth imo.

Um, you mean two quads disabled? I don't know, that seems like a bit of a stretch, considering that's a lot of extra die space to waste. Anything they'd gain in terms of yield would be offset by the fact that they're wasting so much of wafers to disabled die space.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: jotosuds
i just want 7800GT prices to go down

QFT

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: crazydingo
guru3d thinks otherwise:

The Radeon X1600 XT then, a very striking series. For the money that is going to be one kickass mid-range product ! For the money you have to pay this card will bring the most performance. It's the new GeForce 6600 GT and can be compared to it from a performance and feature level, in most cases it definitely was faster though. It offers heaps of features and functionality for a fair sum of money. This series can be a big hit as the performance it offers is rather good.

Figures ..

well, they're certainly the exception (most other reviews found the 1300/1600 and 1800xl series disappointing).. although they can't seem to figure out if it's x1600xl or x1600xt? ck the link you supplied:

"The Radeon X1600 XL then, a very striking series. For the money that is going to be one kickass mid-range product ! For the money you have to pay this card will bring the most performance. It's the new GeForce 6600 GT and can be compared to it from a performance and feature level, in most cases it definitely was faster though. It offers heaps of features and functionality for a fair sum of money. This series can be a big hit as the performance it offers is rather good."

you must have edited it?

Yeah nice scam crazy dingo....It is clearly XL in your link but translated to XT in your quote.....

 

[obeseotron]

Judging purely by transistor count, there are almost certainly not any hidden quads on the 7800gtx. 300m for 24 more advanced pipelines compared to 220m for 16 in the 6800 series makes plenty of sense to me. I personally expected to see something like a dual slot cooled 7800 ultra at 500Mhz with 512MB of the same 1.5Ghz RAM on the x1800xt. I think that would be enough to put them over the top in the majority of benchmarks.

 

[BenSkywalker]

i doubt we will see more pipes.

The RSX which is based on the G70 is going to be a 32 ALU part clocked @550 using 90nm. Not saying that means anything, just take it for what it's worth.