NVIDIA Says No to 7800 GTX in AGP Form

[HDTVMan]

Its a bummer but when I think about it I will be buying one when the prices are under 200. So if I am not upgraded to w comp with pci-e I should get my butt kicked.

 

[Lonyo]

It's a huge POS because of nVidia themselves.
I'm going to upgrade, but I'll only be needing 1280x1024 resolution (17" LCD monitor).
This means currently to get good performance I will "only" need an X800XL or a 6800GT.
Well, I can get an X800XL PCIe for £190
The nearest 6800GT is £210, but guess what? It's AGP. A PCIe 6800GT is about £250+, much more expensive, and consequently not worth it.
So if I want a single card, I have to get either an ATi card, or an AGP nVid a card.
Now, nVidia have told me they're moving away from AGP by this move, so what do I do? Well, the obvious answer is either to buy ATi now and have a choice later, or buy nVidia now and be locked into ATi in the future with AGP.
So I'm probably going to be buying ATi again in the near future, and then when I upgrade I will have a choice.

 

[dogbait]

NVIDIA said that they would consider an AGP version of the 7800 if demand was there. I've set up a petition for those who want to demand 🙂

Here's hoping we get an AGP variant of this card!

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I hope ATi and NV no longer make any AGP video cards. Making both AGP and PCI-E has to strain them, more than just making PCI-E.

There are plenty of fast AGP cards out there.

????

How much harder/more expensive can it be for them to design the PCB to allow their BR2 PCI-E to AGP bridge chip to be installed? It's not as if the average 7800GTX consumer isn't going to buy one in AGP just because it's $10-$15 more than the PCI-E version.

 

[vision33r]

I see a lot of useless whining in here.

Now, why would an avg Joe complain about 7800GTX AGP support if Joe can't even afford to upgrade to PCI-E? The 7800GTX is $599, I'm sure he can skip couple of Starbucks runs and save up for a PCI-E mobo and sell the old one on ebay.

For those thinking another 6 month the card will be 1/2 price. There's nothing on the pipeline from Nvidia or ATI in the next 6month to cause a 50% drop in price. The 6800 Ultra has not dropped 50% in price in nearly 2 yrs of existence. What makes you think the 7800GTX will be $300 by Xmas time.

 

[dogbait]

vision33r those buying 7800 GTXs are not 'average joes'. That's why the Geforce MX series has been the best selling graphics chip and continues to do to be so.

Many people purchased an nForce3 system which can take any new Athlon processor out, including the new X2. Many people also have decent Northwood systems above 3GHz which will run a 7800 GTX fine. And many people want a card as fast (if not faster) than the 6800 Ultra which does not have broken PureVideo support.

I personally have a dual proc system which is only a year or so old. It would cost me $400 for a new PCI-e mainboard, $300 per processor, plus the cost of new memory $400 to replace the 2GB I have.

That's a lot of greenbacks to change my graphics card slot.

I completely agree with you on the price of the 7800, it's unlikely to drop now or in six months. In fact the 6800 Ultra was cheaper around October '04 than it was in March '05.

 

[imported_humey]

vision33r > You think so, what about the ATX 2.0 psu needed to run the new mobo, and the cpu for socket 939 and possibly new ram if you aint got 400mhz already. ???????

Im a high end user but im on agp, i aint about to change till early 2006, so you and others that think all you need is new mobo need go look into more aspects then you will have a clue.

I aint some skintflint i bought a 6800U last year and a xp3200 (cost like £380) when new and now use mobile xp2600 barton as faster.

 

[HDTVMan]

If you really think about it this video card really needs to be paired with a good CPU.

So upgrading to a PCI-E mobo is really evolutionary. Not needed but consider a PCI-E motherboards can be found for cheap isnt really a disaster.

Someone who wont spend 100.00 on a mobo isnt buying a $550.00 video card.

 

[imported_humey]

You obv didnt read WTF i said above or 3x b4.

Its not the mobo thats prob, you then need atx 2.0 psu and a socket 939 cpu and some peeps may need new ram pc3200 at least.

My cpu is 2.8gig and 250/500fsb, it is good enough for a new gpu, i own a 6800U so im not exacly bottom of range.

There will be a agp card so then all the n00bs saying we dont need agp and all others should buy a new mobo can STFU.

To build a 64bit rig now for me this late in day is dumb as of 2 reasons, my current hardware is suffice and the 2nd generation chips will be here in early 2006 with possible ddr2 support, so i aint blowing more £1000's now to change in 6months to totally new tech.

Nvidia/Chaintech already offered me a new 7800GTX for my case against them with fooked PvP 6800U and they are both aware im on agp and will only accept a agp card, so i can submise they are gonna make agp's if not they will lose lots of sale and ati will make agp and get the ex agp nvidia peeps.

 

[vision33r]

Originally posted by: humey
vision33r > You think so, what about the ATX 2.0 psu needed to run the new mobo, and the cpu for socket 939 and possibly new ram if you aint got 400mhz already. ???????

Im a high end user but im on agp, i aint about to change till early 2006, so you and others that think all you need is new mobo need go look into more aspects then you will have a clue.

I aint some skintflint i bought a 6800U last year and a xp3200 (cost like £380) when new and now use mobile xp2600 barton as faster.

XP3200 is not high end, it's med-low end now. High end system would be running atleast a AMD 64bit 3400+ on NV4.

ATX 2.0 PSU is quite cheap, $35 for a thermaltake 350W+ PSU, you don't need the 24pin connector, just get the adapter. The Asus A8N-SLI can use 20pin as well, you're not researching enough.

As for 400MHZ ram, DDR400 RAM is like what $90 for a 1GB for CAS2.5, that's that bad.

I think your system is being held back by the slow system paired with a high end GPU.

 

[imported_humey]

vision33r, Yopur a n00b and idiot, i DID STATE I HAD THE 3200XP WHEN NEW, it was best AMD you got there wasnt 64bit, I DID STATE i now run a mobile 2600m, far faster than most 64bits.

Who the hell wants to run a top new card esp SLI on a 350watt psu ???????

And correct you may get by on ATX 1.0 but for sli 2.0 is advised ( can get problems using adpaters from molex to pci-e power plugs) 1 peep even cooked his PSU.

Added to fact CAS 2.5 ram is old and slow, PC3200 C.L 2.0 at least is what most would use and peeps who know more than you seem to would buy non official JEDIC spec ram as the FSB (now called HT as the new mobos dont have a fsb) would easily achieve 250/500mhz ddr at least on a venice core with good ram.

To buy a 7800GTX and skimp on incorrect/underpowered cpu and some bare min spec ram is a n00bs game, i still be better of with my current hardware, added to fact not all drivers/apps run in windows XP 64bit and i tested it since early beta.

I advise you learn to read and re-read my post a few times, i never said a XP3200(32bit barton) today was still high end, i said at time when i paid lots of cash for it, im just pointing out not going pci-e dont mean us peeps are mean or not lie highend but we paid for high end last time round when others didnt, AGP is around for long time yet.

Tell you what, you and all others who talk same crap can donate some cash to us AGP users and we can get new mobos/psu/cpu and maby ram also. ok ?

Do you know how many customers i take from other PC builders, as they got a PC with top notch mobo/cpu and gpu build but skimped on the High end Ram and PSU ?.

 

[imported_shaw]

2.5 isn't that slow, CAS 3 is the slow one.

 

[imported_humey]

Well i had pc2100 @2.5 4-5 years ago, my pc3200 is cl 2.0 as low as i can run on NF2, the Nf$ dfis can do 1..5 although not offically supported by AMD, my ram can do 1.0 @ 400mhz but 2.0 @ 500mhz. 🙁

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Xentropy
The last generation was the end of the road for high-end AGP.

Note I said high-end. I suspect that when the remainder of the 7800 line is released, the midrange and low end will include AGP parts. There are still plenty of midrange systems out there with AGP, and will be for some time, but someone building a high-end PC today, or willing to shell out $600 for a video card today, will include PCI-E in their system. Anyone buying brand new and yet stubborn enough to stick with AGP for some reason is the exception, not the rule, and thus doesn't represent a serious enough market to be worth creating an AGP 7800GTX or 7800 Ultra if one is forthcoming.

6800-line AGP cards are fairly reasonably priced, so if you're looking for an upgrade for your AGP system, look there, or wait for the 7800NU/GT/whateverthesubGTXendsupbeing. If you're looking to upgrade from 6800U to 7800GTX, you live on the tip of the bell curve and should already have PCI-E anyway.

Well said! :beer:

 

[johnnqq]

hahaha. thats actually a bad idea. if you searched most bought video cards on newegg or wherever, agp usually takes the first 5 spots.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: johnnqq
hahaha. thats actually a bad idea. if you searched most bought video cards on newegg or wherever, agp usually takes the first 5 spots.

The top-selling cards are also 5 generations old and being put into sub-2Ghz systems.

 

[Aries64]

Originally posted by: humey
http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1463&Itemid=0

Hmm, im in need of agp only to replace my fooked PvP 6800U and they already offered me this card, they must know i stated agp only and they said long ago that they wont stop agp anytime near, lets hope some other model is agp aswell as pci-e :Q

humey, what the hell are you trying to say in your post? Are you saying that you were offered a 7800 GTX (PCI-E) to replace a 6800U and you are refusing it because you want an AGP card? WTF are you smoking? Are you really that obtuse and cheap that you wouldn't take the 7800 GTX and buy a PCI-E motherboard?

BTW, as much as I HATE adapters (PC hardware adapters are usually some POS, half-ass way of doing something) if I were you I would take the card, buy a new mobo and just use a hard drive-PCI-E adapter/connector (one is most likely included in the box with the card). You can get a quality, single slot Nforce 4 board for $135.00 or less these days.

Or, if you don't like that option, take the 7800 GTX and send it to me, and in exchange I will send you a retail ATI 9800 Pro 256MB card. Card is like new with box and all original documentation and driver CDs'. If you don't mind get that trade-in for your defective card going as soon as possible so that I can have my new 7800 GTX soon. I don't have a problem with buying a new mobo to use a 7800 GTX. I'll even get a PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI so I won't have to use the adapter...

 

[Genx87]

Let AGP die a quicker death than ISA did.

 

[imported_humey]

Aries64, some of you really need to learn to read and not invent what isnt there. :frown:

My PC cost £1000's to build, its agp i dont want a amd64 pci-e rig till im damn ready to build one in early 2006 as of reason i mentioned b4. :|

No i didnt state they offerered me a pci-e card so your the one smoking, i said they know i have a agp 6800U and i made it blatenly clear i need a agp card in return, so i assume they are offering a agp card of the 7800GTX when its avail, i still said no. 😎

I dont give 2 monkeys what any n00bs here say, i read some amount bollocks every day and thats why i keep pretty quiet during few weeks leading up to release of the G70, as of the amount of crap i read here from some peeps.

I am again keeping out all this guessing about whats next etc etc, as i know there will be AGP card soon and i will psot when i recieve it, i ideally want the next card out above the GTX which is porbably a Ultra in some new name or form.

Why the hell would i want your pos of a ATI card, i have a 6800Ultra (ok PvP not work on mpeg4), you want a 7800GTX do what i normally do and buy one. 🙂

 

[Aries64]

Originally posted by: humey
http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1463&Itemid=0

Hmm, im in need of agp only to replace my fooked PvP 6800U and they already offered me this card, they must know i stated agp only and they said long ago that they wont stop agp anytime near, lets hope some other model is agp aswell as pci-e

Originally posted by: humey
Aries64, some of you really need to learn to read and not invent what isnt there. :frown:

My PC cost £1000's to build, its agp i dont want a amd64 pci-e rig till im damn ready to build one in early 2006 as of reason i mentioned b4. :|

No i didnt state they offerered me a pci-e card so your the one smoking, i said they know i have a agp 6800U and i made it blatenly clear i need a agp card in return, so i assume they are offering a agp card of the 7800GTX when its avail, i still said no. 😎

I dont give 2 monkeys what any n00bs here say, i read some amount bollocks every day and thats why i keep pretty quiet during few weeks leading up to release of the G70, as of the amount of crap i read here from some peeps.

I am again keeping out all this guessing about whats next etc etc, as i know there will be AGP card soon and i will psot when i recieve it, i ideally want the next card out above the GTX which is porbably a Ultra in some new name or form.

Why the hell would i want your pos of a ATI card, i have a 6800Ultra (ok PvP not work on mpeg4), you want a 7800GTX do what i normally do and buy one. 🙂

humey is English not your first language? I'm not trying to insult you but your post and the style in which you post overall is difficult to understand.

That said, before you start throwing insults around it is you who needs to learn how to read. I suggest Remedial English, followed by English Comprehension, and English Grammar for starters.

To break-down your original post, you stated that:

"They already offered me this card". Whoever "they" are, everyone knows that the 7800 GTX is currently only available in PCI-E. According to your own words "they" also reiterated this fact to you as "they" stated that "they wont stop agp anytime near". Now, I believe that you meant that "they won't be stocking AGP anytime soon".

SO, based on the fact that there are no 7800 GTXs' available except in PCI-E, if you have already been offered a 7800 GTX as you stated it stands to reason that you have been offered a PCI-E version of the 7800 GTX. This is the logical conclusion that anyone who read your original post and is capable of accurate reading comprehension and applying logic should come to.

So shut the fvck up you moron. As another Anandtech member says "Come back when you are smarter".

Lastly, I was being facetious in my paragraph about swapping cards. Because it was written with good details you didn't realize that I was being facetious (although being the complete moron that you seem to be you probably don't know what "facetious" means, do you)? End of post, I am finished with this guy and any further posts in this thread with the exception of my EDIT below.

EDIT: Added humey's original post to top of this post for reference.

 

[imported_humey]

Aries64. Who gives a to$$, yes im Scottish so english is my primary, but typing aint unless i type 1 word every 10secs.

Its not that important on here that i will bother my arse to correct all, its legable for most that have half a brain, try my irc server and you see its same esp yanks that cant talk or spell words in real english.

Aint you got anything better to comment on thats my typing skills btw ?

If you used some grey matter you could read and see "they" is Nvidia as i was on the subject of them.

Fact of it is i am past bothering here, im saying no to a 7800GTX which i assume was to be AGP and thats my decision and i dont give cards away, if you want a 7800GTX buy one you spent lots on your cpu so you can afford.

Im not interested in any more GTX sh1t talk or guesswork i will post again if i get my way and get a AGP Ultra or whatever it is called when it releases.

I dont need to explain myself or lack of typing skills to anyone here, i bet you aint even in UK, typing bad dont mean i cant spell or talk in proper english, im also to fast and far to lazy.