NVIDIA NV38 Close to release?

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: ComputerCobra
Hello all.


What is the point of buying a card right now if they keep coming out with better ones. I myself plan on buying a computer for EQ II wich comes out mid Nov, but wont even consider what I want until mid October. But I guess thats they way the computer industry is isnt it.

welcome to the forums. people buy right now for there is always something better on the horizon, no matter how long you wait. i just buy cheap cards so i dont feel bad when something new comes out

 

[sharkeeper]

using your logic, intel and amd should not release faster cpus, but better optimizations (ie. sse versions/windows) and have only a couple p4's, a couple p3's.
sorry buddy but your comment gets a fail!

Sorry but this analogy fails. You cannot compare a cpu to a gpu. Central Processing Units don't get performance boosts and added and/or improved features like a graphics processor can. This is a typical apples to oranges comparison.

Ya, but in the good ol' days( ) the 9700Pro would have slowly but surely continue getting cheaper until it was the Budget card. Those days seem to have passed on somewhere within the last few years.

That's because its performance is still within the top bracket. If it were 50% slower, it would be cheap. There's not much of an improvement from a 9700 to 9800.

-DAK-

 

[sandorski]

Shuttle: That is certainly true. Perhaps my beef is mistated. GPU performance has been stagnant for a year due to a lack of competition.

 

[sharkeeper]

GPU performance has been stagnant for a year due to a lack of competition.

Not only that, but lack of software to use the features! How many DX9 titles are out as of now? HL2 is still another few months off and D3 won't see the light until next Spring! Perhaps we'll see a demo of D3 in late Q3 03 but who knows???

Of course a lot of people play 3DMark! 🙂

There's the DX9 demos by ATi and nVidia.

One nice thing about a current GPU is they will run older (DX7) titles at the highest resolution and highest speed with every feature turned on if one desires. Of course no GPU can make up for a lack of poly count. Looks like this industry will be around for a while...

-DAK-

 

[Davegod]

Is there anywhere that has a nice chart, or something, of when both ati and nvidia's cards are expected due, and whereabouts each lies for price & performance?

I only need to know rough estimates up until end of september, since this is when HL2 (and a number of other games im looking forward to) is expected. I could wait until then, but i dont want to unless its really worth it, especially considering the prices just dont seem to drop anymore, cards just get replaced.

 

[Stunt]

direct x release time is growing larger and larger, it will be AT LEAST 2 years till we see dx 10 support.
therefore any features taht do get added will be instructions that ati or nvidia add on their own. These features will not be used much because the other company will not have.

as for my analogy, i think it is very valid. what do you think that optimizations are? sse, see2, 3dnow, mmx, integrated mem controller on a64. x86-64 ability.
these are all features that are added to a cpu, just as a gpu gets another pipeline (like adding 64bit processing) or ability to run ie. displacement mapping (like adding sse).
we are past the days where features are added every gpu revision. They will make a few adjustments but nothing like we have seen in the past.
next radeon will be a r350 with additional pipes and 9.1 support. and the next 3 will have increased clock rate.
even if my analogy is not perfect for this situation. my point stands...and instead of picking apart the analogy, how bout commenting on the specifics that i was refering to. why the clock rates are increasing in revisions and not full redesigns.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shuttle: That is certainly true. Perhaps my beef is mistated. GPU performance has been stagnant for a year due to a lack of competition.

?? so what?? you can buy video cards that will slay any game out there. What's the point of faster??

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: Stunt
direct x release time is growing larger and larger, it will be AT LEAST 2 years till we see dx 10 support.
therefore any features taht do get added will be instructions that ati or nvidia add on their own. These features will not be used much because the other company will not have.

as for my analogy, i think it is very valid. what do you think that optimizations are? sse, see2, 3dnow, mmx, integrated mem controller on a64. x86-64 ability.
these are all features that are added to a cpu, just as a gpu gets another pipeline (like adding 64bit processing) or ability to run ie. displacement mapping (like adding sse).
we are past the days where features are added every gpu revision. They will make a few adjustments but nothing like we have seen in the past.
next radeon will be a r350 with additional pipes and 9.1 support. and the next 3 will have increased clock rate.
even if my analogy is not perfect for this situation. my point stands...and instead of picking apart the analogy, how bout commenting on the specifics that i was refering to. why the clock rates are increasing in revisions and not full redesigns.

Dude... like shuttle said, thats an apple to orange comparison. SUre, they have similar traits, but they do entirely different things. CPU's need a wider range of choice in speed because thats many times the most expensive part, atleast in home computers. If all you had was a P4 1.6Ghz, 2.4Ghz, and 3.0Ghz, people could pick from those three. They may have a price range in between those. The video card on the other hand, needs a wide selection of video cards, but not as many because you don't go around looking for a Radeon 9800 Pro 1/2 thats inbetween the Pro and Non Pro because the difference isn't that much. Also, increasing clock rates are impor tant but they usually don't give as much of an inrease in speed as a new design.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: grant2

Originally posted by: sandorski
Shuttle: That is certainly true. Perhaps my beef is mistated. GPU performance has been stagnant for a year due to a lack of competition.

?? so what?? you can buy video cards that will slay any game out there. What's the point of faster??

:Q BLASPHEMY!!! 😉

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
I wonder if the HL2 problem will be fixed in these cards...

I doubt it, it's nothing but a clock increase from the looks of it.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
someone needs to develop CRT/LCD technology so we can play at 4096x3072 and then everyone can stfu about fsaa 😛

lol if someone did create that it'd be sweeeeeet