Nvidia NV35 to be launched in May

[Clauzii]

Take a look at this link, and B convinced, that FX5800ultra is a TOTALLY WASTE OF MONEY!!!!!!!

GFX Go Home!

and select ´Bildgalerie - Exclusive Presentation´

PS: It is in German!

 

[nRollo]

Yep, this could be the chip to finally do it for nVidia, if they straighten out their AF issues.....


LOL.
A. nVidia owns ATI in sales and market share
B. nVidia has owned ATI in sales and market share for YEARS
C. Having the "best" gaming VGA for 7 months doesn't make ATI some long term king of the industry that nVidia needs to dethrone

The fact of the matter is that nVidia got screwed by a Taiwanese fab that couldn't deliver as promised. Had nothing to do with nVidia. They've contracted another fab, IBM, to make sure such things don't happen again.
The nV35 will smack down the 9800, soon.

Anyone who's not an ATI fanboy will rejoice, buy one, and use it till ATI releases something that smacks down the nV35.

 

[Conscript]

Originally posted by: Rollo


The fact of the matter is that nVidia got screwed by a Taiwanese fab that couldn't deliver as promised. Had nothing to do with nVidia. They've contracted another fab, IBM, to make sure such things don't happen again.
The nV35 will smack down the 9800, soon.

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as much as you might like to blame the fab, the FX was a victim of poor design, and if you disagree, you're in the substantial minority...

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Conscript

Originally posted by: Rollo The fact of the matter is that nVidia got screwed by a Taiwanese fab that couldn't deliver as promised. Had nothing to do with nVidia. They've contracted another fab, IBM, to make sure such things don't happen again. The nV35 will smack down the 9800, soon. .

as much as you might like to blame the fab, the FX was a victim of poor design, and if you disagree, you're in the substantial minority...

Definitely, the fact that they didn't move to a 256-bit memory bus when they probably knew ATI was doing it was a big mistake. They then had to cover their butts by using exotic means like DDR II and the hairdryer. They also banked on a design that required to be an a 0.13 micron to be fast enough to be competitive, and they had to use DDR II. In short it was a brute force design that almost lives up to the absurdity of the GeForce FX's namesake - the (later) 3DFX video card designs.

A major part of creating these designs is to design something that can actually be built with current technology while offering a competitive price/performance ratio. There are no points in this industry for making a $2000 0.13 micron, 128-bit memory bus, graphics card that can clock at 1 GHz and offer 35GB/s memory bandwidth that comes with it's own little refrigerator with snack compartment and requires its own 1 kilowatt power supply.

Nvidia totally killed 3DFX because of the ingenuity of their designs, and I hope that this next card is a viable contender.

 

[keitaro]

Originally posted by: Rollo

The fact of the matter is that nVidia got screwed by a Taiwanese fab that couldn't deliver as promised. Had nothing to do with nVidia. They've contracted another fab, IBM, to make sure such things don't happen again.
The nV35 will smack down the 9800, soon.

Anyone who's not an ATI fanboy will rejoice, buy one, and use it till ATI releases something that smacks down the nV35.

I doubt it's that they got screwed in the first place. When going for newer technology such as a new fabrication methods, it'll always take some time to do. And it's never guaranteed to be on schedule when it's the only company that has such a facility. Sure nVIDIA has made a decision to go with a .13 micron process for their 5800 line but that is where nVIDIA made their mistake. It's a gamble they took to have their chips made on .13 micron.

But get this. When the 5800 Ultra finally came out, was it any better than the 9700 Pro? And had it came out ON time, would it be better still? Whether or not it was late matters very little because it wouldn't be TSMC's fault. And during all those times, the 9700 enjoyed a comfortable lead as the best card money can buy.

The point here is that nVIDIA made some mistakes. And it just happens that ATi benefitted from those mistakes, having released a chip that performs well both in raw and in AA/AF power. Because many people were looking so forward to nVIDIA's NV30 that they were too blind to step back and look at both companies objectively. It takes nVIDIA's GeForceFX release to wake those people up and have them realize that nVIDIA isn't the current king anymore.

So now once again we're faced with an upcoming date that will tell us whether or not nVIDIA's NV35 has what it takes to retake the 3D crown. Haven't we seen this before though? That we're so anxious to see what nVIDIA has in store for us that we're willing to look past at the current top cards today, we'd end up blinding ourselves once again to look at this objectively. Yes we'd like to see if the NV35 can give us a BIG improvement over the NV30. Can it? Will it? There is no telling. And we simply have to wait.

I'd like to see, just out of curiosity. But am I expecting to see it trample all over the R350? Nope. In fact, I'm not expecting anything. I just want to see how it fares against the rest.

Would I stand behind a company and their products? Absolutely not, unless I'm working for that company... I prefer to view the various arrays of products with an open mind, because this is how I determine my future purchase. So if you blindly follow ATi or nVIDIA, go buy their Radeon 9800 or NV35 respectively, despite if one or the other kicks the other product's ass in every benchmark possible. I mean, who is to argue with someone who plunks down on a $400 card that runs 10% slower than the other card?

 

[Clauzii]

GOOD points you have there.

Also, peple who smack down (another) 400$ to get a 10% increase is a little off, I think...
When U have a GPU thats running 99% of the games out there, why not wait and then spend those 400$ on something that REALLY gives power for money: Performance up by 50-100% instead of those pitty 10% everybody is ranting about.

I don´t care if I have 50-60 FPS. I would defenitely NOT spend a lot of bucks to get 10 frames more....

And yes, maybe nVidia have a better market share, BUT it sure is smaller than just a year ago!

No No - I am waiting for R400... I think It´s gonna be a KNOCKER!!!!

 

[Wurrmm]

Originally posted by: keitaro

Originally posted by: Rollo

The fact of the matter is that nVidia got screwed by a Taiwanese fab that couldn't deliver as promised. Had nothing to do with nVidia. They've contracted another fab, IBM, to make sure such things don't happen again.
The nV35 will smack down the 9800, soon.

Anyone who's not an ATI fanboy will rejoice, buy one, and use it till ATI releases something that smacks down the nV35.

I doubt it's that they got screwed in the first place. When going for newer technology such as a new fabrication methods, it'll always take some time to do. And it's never guaranteed to be on schedule when it's the only company that has such a facility. Sure nVIDIA has made a decision to go with a .13 micron process for their 5800 line but that is where nVIDIA made their mistake. It's a gamble they took to have their chips made on .13 micron.

But get this. When the 5800 Ultra finally came out, was it any better than the 9700 Pro? And had it came out ON time, would it be better still? Whether or not it was late matters very little because it wouldn't be TSMC's fault. And during all those times, the 9700 enjoyed a comfortable lead as the best card money can buy.

The point here is that nVIDIA made some mistakes. And it just happens that ATi benefitted from those mistakes, having released a chip that performs well both in raw and in AA/AF power. Because many people were looking so forward to nVIDIA's NV30 that they were too blind to step back and look at both companies objectively. It takes nVIDIA's GeForceFX release to wake those people up and have them realize that nVIDIA isn't the current king anymore.

So now once again we're faced with an upcoming date that will tell us whether or not nVIDIA's NV35 has what it takes to retake the 3D crown. Haven't we seen this before though? That we're so anxious to see what nVIDIA has in store for us that we're willing to look past at the current top cards today, we'd end up blinding ourselves once again to look at this objectively. Yes we'd like to see if the NV35 can give us a BIG improvement over the NV30. Can it? Will it? There is no telling. And we simply have to wait.

I'd like to see, just out of curiosity. But am I expecting to see it trample all over the R350? Nope. In fact, I'm not expecting anything. I just want to see how it fares against the rest.

Would I stand behind a company and their products? Absolutely not, unless I'm working for that company... I prefer to view the various arrays of products with an open mind, because this is how I determine my future purchase. So if you blindly follow ATi or nVIDIA, go buy their Radeon 9800 or NV35 respectively, despite if one or the other kicks the other product's ass in every benchmark possible. I mean, who is to argue with someone who plunks down on a $400 card that runs 10% slower than the other card?

I agree with your point about Nvidia not getting screwed, however, I don't agree with you about this release being the same as the NV30 launch. Your statement about whethere we have seen this before is kind of pointless since this is a different situation. It is unlikely that Nvidia, a long time solid company, will make a second mistake. It puzzles me why so many people are so eager to bash them when they have had very good products for a very long time. In my eyes, their lack of any real competition got the better of them. Now that ATI has some real good high end products out, they have now been forced to work harder, and the NV35 is likely hold up the long standing Nvidia reputation of having excellent high quality cards. Even looking at the NV30, it was not a total wash. Although expensive, loud, and hot, it still performs well. The FX engine is quite powerful and has alot of potential, it is unlikely that the NV35 will be a wash.

All your stuff about people being blind due to the NV30s release is a load of crap. Most people who waited say that even though it was a little faster in some benches was still not as good a product over all and went with the 9700 pro/9800 pro. Even bofore the FX release, ATI had already taken the performance crown. All the FX did was tarnish Nvidia's name somewhat. If people want to wait and not go with the best card today then who cares.

Realistically, fanboys are not as abundant as average/bang for buck users. There is also a difference between being a fan boy and having trust in a company. Most people do have an open mind when it comes to products, so I really don't see where you are going with all you stuff.

There is nothing wrong with waiting for the NV35. In the end most people will just go with what is the best at the time.