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NVIDIA nForce to Offer Integrated GeForce 3 (NV17) Graphics by March!!

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http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warner/Roadmap_now.htm

nVidia Crush 17 & 18 chipsets are expected to be released towards the End of Q1 2002 for the AMD platform. Crush 17 and Crush 18 are the successors to the Crush 11 and Crush 12 chipsets respectively. Enhancements over the previous generation chipsets include the replacement of the Integrated NV11 (GeForce2 MX) with an integrated version of NV17 (GeForce3 MX) in the North Bridge. These chipsets are also expected to include support for PC2700 (333Mhz) DDR memory, which will provide a memory bandwidth of 5.4Gb/s with nVidia's TwinBank architecture (Crush 18).

nVidia's management/engineering team should be given an award for listening to the public's needs by offering products that enthusiasts and OEM?s alike will just want to eat up:

1. Just recently nVidia announced a non-GeF2MX chipset (dubbed 415-D, boards available in ~ 2 weeks) that is supposed to suit the enthusiast?s needs by offering solid overclocking, a reliable architecture, and a cheap price tag (everything us ATer's could want basically 🙂).

2. Releasing an integrated Northbridge with GeF3 NV17 graphics capabilities will easily suit the needs of the lucrative high-end desktop OEM market (in addition to the already established 420-D chipset market, which is at about a midrange price point now).
 


<< Just an FYI - There's more GeForce2 than there is GeForce3 about the NV17: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1564.

Take care,
Anand >>



Yeah, I already read your NV17 update last year. Even without Pixel Shader support and only limited vertex shader support in the NV17, the lightspeed architecture (crossbar) should make the NV17 pretty competitive with the GeF2 Ultra.

Thanks for the post Anand! 🙂
 
i laugh...if anyone honestly thinks there's gonna be gf3 level graphics performance by march, keep dreaming..

nfarce is a joke..they're not gonna integrate their fastest grahpics core with limited/shared system memory bandwidth..

not even hilarious..this is the sadest hype i've ever seen.
 


<< i laugh...if anyone honestly thinks there's gonna be gf3 level graphics performance by march, keep dreaming..

nfarce is a joke..they're not gonna integrate their fastest grahpics core with limited/shared system memory bandwidth..

not even hilarious..this is the sadest hype i've ever seen. >>



Blah blah blah...

😉
 
I think they're going to make motherboards with Nvidia's latest video chips maybe in the future if this motherboard business get better for them.
 
The current Nforce's onboard video is as good as many peoples current video solutions, a GF3 MX will only make it better.
 
Degenerate:

<< When is support for P4's coming? >>

You'll have to ask Intel that question I'm afraid. Historically, both the company and at least one employee who sometimes posts here have been of the opinion that the nforce does not offer anything that intel is not already offering. Perhaps their customers need to indicate to them that certain other chipsets have features customers are interested in.

Of course, I would not hold my breath waiting. One: P3/P4 nforce chipset sales would eat into Intel P3/P4 chipset sales, and Two: nVidia is guilty of a hideous sin - they dared to support AMD - openly and even worked with them.

Greg
 


<< The current Nforce's onboard video is as good as many peoples current video solutions, a GF3 MX will only make it better.
>>

That's what I've been saying all along. Sure for the enthusiasts, nForce video is junk, but i have yet to see a single OEM PC ship with anthing better than a GF2MX. That's why I think nForce has the potential in the OEM market.

I heard about this a couple months ago from X-Bit Labs. And, I really, would encourage you guys not to hype it up. Read my post here. I know that thread is about KM266, but read what I say about memory bandwidth in UMA chipsets. Because we're just now barely getting to PC2700 DDR, we shouldn't expect another speed increase anytime soon. Just to update the info in my thread, a GF4 MX would have 6.4GB/ps so a nForce with PC2700 and a NV17 core will offer better performance than the NV11, but I wouldn't expect it to be on-par with a Retail GF4MX.

<< When is support for P4's coming? >>

It's not coming, At least not from nVidia. ATi though will be releasing their Athlon and P4 chipsets soon, and they will have a Integrated R7500 core😉
 


<< i laugh...if anyone honestly thinks there's gonna be gf3 level graphics performance by march, keep dreaming.. >>



That was rude, but I reluctantly have to agree. The title of this thread is hype and nothing more.
 
nortexoid
"nfarce is a joke..they're not gonna integrate their fastest grahpics core with limited/shared system memory bandwidth.."

Well considering that NV25 GeForce 4 is to be released Feb 5th then releasing an nForce with GF3 MX (not GF3) core is no surprise and not beyond the realm of belief. Plus the end of Q1 2002 (end of March) would be almost a full 2 months (start Feb to end Mar).

Thorin
 
considering they've just come out with a chipset minus the integrated graphics core, you have to wonder how well they're doing by coming out with yet another overly expensive chipset w/ an integrated NV17 graphics core...are they confused? the frickin things cost too much - most mobo manufacturers won't even consider making 420 boards...i don't think this one's gonna fly, regardless of when the GF4 is being released.

and there's the question of shared mem. bandwidth being enough again.

 
The Nforce is not a joke, it is a very innovative product.

No other mobo out there integrates high end audio, mid end video and a quality mobo like the Nforce, and that competes with other top of the line chipsets like the KT266a.

Nvidia's main problem is their pricing. If they would be able to reduce the cost of their chipset, their mobo would be going into the majority of pc's out there.

This was nvidia's first shot, I am sure they will learn from their mistakes and their next chipsets will be much more competitive.
 
the nForce is getting the NV17.. that's like a souped up GF2 more than a GF3, except it appears it might have some memory bandwidth saving tech from the GF3.

in any case, the current nForce gets wasted by my trusty old Radeon LE anyway 😛

anywho, if they incorperated PC2700 DDR SDRAM into nForce along with this, hey my Radeon might actually have some competition! lol.. hmm it looks time to upgrade already? doh!

btw these are only meant to increase the 3D performance of the bottom end of the market, so developers can ignore the older stuff and just work on technology with T&L built in. by the time this one comes out, the NV25 will already be out.
 
Nice, but not anything I'd be interested in. It was smart to release a board without video, but with the way many here upgrade their machines, this doesn't have anything most would want. I agree it'll be good for the OEM market. Geforce 3 quality and speed video as standard?
Next month everyone will be waxing philosophic about GF4 anyway and this will be old hat.
 
I think the current nForce is plenty good! Mose people out there are stuck with i810/Savage4/etc and are the ones responsible for game companies not upping the bar.
If every single eMachine, Hewlett-Packard, Packard Hell, and Complaque brand computer was sold with at least GF2MX graphics, we could count on games looking much better sooner.
Upping the bar to Geforce2-pro speed is even better.

Although I think the ultimate kudos will not go to nVidia, but to ATI for *their* integrated 7500 graphics. The reason I say that is because nForce is an AMD chipset, and many/most of those "Joe Blow" buyers of HP machines are also sold on the "Intel Inside" marketing.
(Don't even think about starting that debate - I like both.)
 
most mobo manufacturers won't even consider making 420 boards

Riiiiight. Which is why ASUS and MSI have already released their 420 boards, and why Abit and Gigabyte will be releasing theirs in the weeks to come.

Riiiiiiight. We know you hate Nvidia nortexoid, so why crap in my thread?
 
i'm with anand. i don't think they should call it a GF3 because that will mean that game makers can't recommend a GF3. even if they called it GF3 Ti100 the makers couldn't say "Ti200 or better" because that would leave some GF3 owners in the dark. i think this part will be better FPS-wise, than an MX 400, and maybe even a GF256 DDR, but won't get to GTS levels. again, its bandwidth limited. big time. even in the twinbank config. like i said in all these threads the first time around, the athlon will be sucking down a tremendous amount of bandwidth. plus DASP is in there eating some more. and the sound. and DDR isn't all that and a bag of chips anyway.
 
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