Nvidia move up two slots in their product lineup to match AMD

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videoclone

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Nvidia move up a whole two slots in their product lineup to put themselves inline with AMD's price to performance

The performance of each product in Nvidia's lineup has been stepped up from what they would have SOLD at..

What we have now is the cards that were made for a market segment slotting up a notch into a higher price band..

By AMD jumping from $379 for a HD6970 to $549 for a HD7970 Nvidia just followed but because they had a more mature compute GPU to make the jump over to 28nm they had the advantage and were able to improve performance and power were AMD had to do "everything" from "move to a compute GPU, improve performance, improve power ext ext the task was too great and there flagship card has lost to a midrange Nvidia card.

Nvidia have almost moved up two slots for there whole 28nm lineup because of the lack of price to performance from AMD

What we have now is going to be

a GTX660Ti for $349 would have been a GTX640 at $199 but will now compete with HD7870
a GTX670 for $449 would have been a GTX650 at $299 but will now compete with HD7950
a GTX680 for $549 should have been a GTX660Ti at $369 but will now compete with HD7970

a GTX770 for Big$ would have been a GTX670 at $399 but will now compete with HD8950
a GTX780 for Big$ would have been a GTX680 at $499 but will now compete with HD8970

This is just speculation and discussion on soon to be released products but all the information so far points to this outcome in pricing unless Nvidia rebadge the GTX580/570/560 cards

I actually think this is an interesting topic (price tiers now that AMD and NV aren't in a bloody price war), however largely because of how this first post was written this topic got off to a really bad start. There's no salvaging this thread.
-ViRGE
 
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videoclone

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None, just going by the GTX 680 with a product code of GK104 that Nvidia normally use for the midrange product

for all we know Nvidia could rebadge the whole GTX600 series cards at 40nm (*under the 28nm GTX680) with the old GTX500 seriers cards like they have in the past.

GTX580 - rebadged GTX670 and so on...
 

PingviN

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None, just going by the GTX 680 with a product code of GK104 that Nvidia normally use for the midrange product

for all we know Nvidia could rebadge the whole GTX600 series cards at 40nm (*under the 28nm GTX680) with the old GTX500 seriers cards like they have in the past.

GTX580 - rebadged GTX670 and so on...

Well, we don't know anything and you have no source. You just pulled something out of your behind and post it as facts.
 

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What we have now is going to be

a GTX660Ti for $349 would have been a GTX640 at $199 but will now compete with HD7870
a GTX670 for $449 would have been a GTX650 at $299 but will now compete with HD7950
a GTX680 for $549 should have been a GTX660Ti at $369 but will now compete with HD7970

Videoclone, when do you think there will be a $200 offering from Nvidia or AMD? Are you going on record to say that neither company will have a card for $200.

Also, do you think companies like AMD and Nvidia should be charitable and sell their cards for less than people are willing to pay? Don't you think that if AMD or Nvidia offered cards for less than market value (i.e., less than what people are willing to pay), resellers like Newegg and Amazon would just raise their prices to prevent selling out too quickly?

If AMD is overpricing their cards, shouldn't Nvidia undercut them and steal away all the customers by selling cards for a lower price? Why would Nvidia reject this golden opportunity to sell cards at a lower "fair" price and win all the markets?
 

AnandThenMan

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You can thank AMD for this by jumping from $379 for a HD6970 to $549 for a HD7970 Nvidia just followed...
AMD has become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Not only do they control their own pricing, but now also Nvidia's. :eek:

edit - agreed lock this thread.
 
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videoclone

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AMD has become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Not only do they control their own pricing, but now also Nvidia's. :eek:

edit - agreed lock this thread.

Yeah i guess when your first to market you can set the starting price.. its good for them not so much for us though... Nvidia will follow and recoup 28nm costs
 

videoclone

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Videoclone, when do you think there will be a $200 offering from Nvidia or AMD? Are you going on record to say that neither company will have a card for $200.

Also, do you think companies like AMD and Nvidia should be charitable and sell their cards for less than people are willing to pay? Don't you think that if AMD or Nvidia offered cards for less than market value (i.e., less than what people are willing to pay), resellers like Newegg and Amazon would just raise their prices to prevent selling out too quickly?

If AMD is overpricing their cards, shouldn't Nvidia undercut them and steal away all the customers by selling cards for a lower price? Why would Nvidia reject this golden opportunity to sell cards at a lower "fair" price and win all the markets?

GTX560/570 will be the new 200 price point. until the 40nm chips are done with Nvidia may not be releasing anything. AMD's 200 price point is still the HD6870
 

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Let's go over the current rumors from China which have the GTX 680 having 1536 shaders with a base clock of around 1000mhz and no hot clock. If true that puts the GTX 680 at about double the FLOPS of the GTX 580. The GTX 680 is not a mid-level card (again only if the rumors is true), but a top-tier consumer oriented card. I do however suspect that to pare down the compute/professional features of the GK104 chip such as dropping down to 1/12-1/4 DP rates, no ECC support, and a reduced geometry rates. I believe the GK100/110 will have those features and will be the absolute fastest for nVidia but a much smaller margin than we are used to.

http://diy.pconline.com.cn/graphics/news/1203/2702126.html?ad=6431
 

videoclone

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Lock and Ban.

37,118 posts? are all of them as long as this one?...
people talk about upcoming hardware its not really that bad, so long as its not a debate or amd vs nvidia flame... ban?? really wow.
 

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I kind of doubt it and there are a lot of things that are known that seem to contradict this. nVidia has said on multiple occasions that there were problems with the move to 28 nm, and GK100 has almost certainly been canceled (Which on the positive side may mean we see GK110 get pushed up.) so it seems likely that the 28 nm process is limited and expensive at the moment.

Even if nVidia could sell their cards at $300 and profit, it seems unlikely that they actually would. First, they won't have a lot of stock and there's no point at selling out at $300 if they can get just as many sales at $550. Second, they wouldn't have anything to serve as a true Kepler flagship for quite a while.
 

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If these cards don’t perform, expect some serious damage control to begin before release, am kind of seeing that happening already with the mid vs high card BS on every site/forum (A reason it needs for justifying poor performance) or nVidia has something faster, which comes before the dual cards (I doubt it coz this card is beefed up to compensate).
 

chimaxi83

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Wow, such obvious flame bait, laughable.

No source eh, so its just OP's rambling. "You can thank AMD for this"? For what? For following Nvidias historically proven pricing strategy? Try again dude.
 

Keysplayr

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37,118 posts? are all of them as long as this one?...
people talk about upcoming hardware its not really that bad, so long as its not a debate or amd vs nvidia flame... ban?? really wow.

It's simply because you used these 6 words: "You can thank AMD for this"

Folks don't take to kindly to that round these parts. :|

Maybe if you removed the blame from AMD from your OP, and placed it on Nvidia, you would then be allowed to continue your speculation thread without your name being called for a ban.

Wild huh?

Sorry VC.
 
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blackened23

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It's simply because you used these 6 words: "You can thank AMD for this"

Folks don't take to kindly to that round these parts. :|

Maybe if you removed the blame from AMD from your OP, you would then be allowed to continue your speculation thread without your name being called for a ban.

Wild huh?

Sorry VC.

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videoclone

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Yep, i cleaned up the wording... no longer does it sound Anti AMD :).. i like AMD more then intel/Nvidia anyways.
 
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