nVidia Keeps Rehashing the 9xxx Series

[Tempered81]

8800GTS g92 512 Overclock expectations:
check it out:
http://www.jmax-hardware.com/i...&limit=1&limitstart=13


man the geforce 9 series is pissing me off, and i don't even own a desktop anymore. I can't believe they aren't releasing the real monster in the 9 series. Hopefully the GT200 becomes a real thing in 2008.

Edit: I sure hope I am wrong and that these leaked specs are fake/rumors



I've edited the original thread title from "nVidia sucks" to something less inflammatory and baiting.

JaredPace, it would be a good idea if you put more thought into your topic titles in the future.

Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[n7]

This thread is going places.

 

[Tempered81]

yeah this topic is very juvenile, but I hate em.

 

[SickBeast]

 

[Insomniator]

wow

 

[sisq0kidd]

Insightful thread. A++++++++++ WILL READ AGAIN!

 

[JustaGeek]

What's wrong with you...? :shocked:

 

[taltamir]

are you kidding me?
And the current release is their new budget card.. the 9600GT is competing with the 8600GT in price and intent (their naming) and is twice the performance for similar price... thats a GREAT start for the GF9...
Lets wait until the GTX is released before proclaiming it as good or bad... If it can maintain the trend the 9600 set then I would be happy. (twice the performance for similar price that is)

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek
What's wrong with you...? :shocked:

I'm very upset that the Geforce 9 & tri sli implementations/requirements are aimed at making profits. I know they have to make money, and that's why they are a business. I would like to see ATI release a great (single) GPU; hopefully the R700 will be the one. Just feels like Nvidia Corp. are releasing to the public only what is required to snub the competition. Also, I'm not the only one who feels this way, which is why the poll is there.

 

[Ika]

NVidia really screwed up this new generation, what with the 8800GT being better than the GTS and using the G92 core and all the other confusing crap they've done...

 

[taltamir]

AMD is just as quick to shaft you.. AMD, nVidia, Intel.... they all did their share of shafting... yes their tri-sli method right now is extra shafty... don't buy it.

It is kinda stupid of them, because the extra money they make from selling those few extra 8800 GTX cards doesn't make up for all those extra 8800GTS 512 and GT they would have sold to people wanting to tri SLI their rig...

Although maybe, just maybe, the reason is that they simply don't have the time and budget to make drivers for that (drivers being the biggest issue with multi GPU implementation) and thus limit it only to their fastest cards. Scaling in tri sli is pretty bad. And they are spending much too much time on optimizing it... time that should be spent designing a better GPU instead.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: taltamir
are you kidding me?
And the current release is their new budget card.. the 9600GT is competing with the 8600GT in price and intent (their naming) and is twice the performance for similar price... thats a GREAT start for the GF9...
Lets wait until the GTX is released before proclaiming it as good or bad... If it can maintain the trend the 9600 set then I would be happy. (twice the performance for similar price that is)

QFT.

Despite it being just another g92 core, we don't know what kind of performance tweaks will be happening behind the scenes on the 9800GTX. I said this in another thread when I stated my performance estimate; that it would be equal if not better than a 8800GTS 512 that is overclocked. Even if it does turn out to be that, it will still have those performance tweaks that will put it ahead and it will be cooler running (at least should be). Which means their will still be more headroom for you to overclock it more.

I mean I'm not expecting much out of this release either but if it happens to be less than $400 I'll take it over the 8800GTS 512 just because they will be within a small amount of each other ($50 to $100 [100 for price gouging e-tailers]).

I'm just kind of hoping ATI's 4000 series come out around the same time, not because I'm a ATI fanboy but because it will probably be within the same performance amount for cheaper.

Edit:

In a perfect world and going by how the 9600GT's performance was...

Guess 1)

9600GT = 75% of 8800GT
9800GT = 125% of 8800GT
9800GTX = 175% of 8800GT
9800GX2 = 225% of 8800GT

Guess 2)

9600GT = 75% of 8800GT
9800GT = 150% of 8800GT
9800GTX = 225% of 8800GT
9800GX2 = 300% of 8800GT

Guess 1 looks more realistic to me though.
(fixed card name xD)

 

[Syntax Error]

There are diminishing returns in the upper end of Nvidia cards, if the 8-series were any indication. The Ultra wasn't THAT much better over the GTX. I would put the scale more towards this:

9600GT = 90% of 8800GT
9800GT = 125% of 8800GT
9800GX2 = 150% of 8800GT
9800GTX = 175% of 8800GT
9800GTX2 = 200% of 8800GT

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
9800GTX2 = 150% of 8800GT

New card no one knows about yet?

Edit...

Arr.... quoted wrong card, damn auto-correctness of brain.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
There are diminishing returns in the upper end of Nvidia cards, if the 8-series were any indication. The Ultra wasn't THAT much better over the GTX. I would put the scale more towards this:

9600GT = 90% of 8800GT
9800GT = 125% of 8800GT
9800GX2 = 150% of 8800GT
9800GTX = 175% of 8800GT
9800GTX2 = 200% of 8800GT

what card is that?

 

[Magusigne]

Not that good of a thread really "but" I always like rooting for the underdogs.. AMD and ATI... I used to be a fanboi of both..now look at me.. Intel C2D and soon my new nvidia card..whats the world coming to. We should be thankful they are even releasing new cards due to the 3870's rather subpar performance.

 

[taltamir]

I would guess actually the following:

9600GT = 90% of 8800GT
9800GT = 115% of 8800GT
9800GTX = 125-135% of 8800GT (it, 5% faster then an ultra, the percent comparisons is beginning to get confusing...)

9800GX2 = 5% slower then SLI of 2x 9800GT.... due to loss of PCIe bandwidth and probably lower clock speeds. total speed varies based on game from being SLOWER then one card, to 90% faster then one card on a few select titles, with most being 30% faster.

9800GTX2 - this doesn't exist.

While these are my guesses, I withhold judgement until they are released... so far 2x the speed for same price 8600GT to 9600GT... lets see what happens

 

[Rubycon]

Intel is buying nvidia.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Intel is buying nvidia.

QWWAAAHHHHH?????

This changes everything. I feel like i am in the matrix

 

[bryanW1995]

when comparing the 9800gtx to other cards it should start with the 8800ultra, not the 8800gt. This card will live or die in how it does at 19x12 and above with eye candy. Anybody can buy an 8800gt today, jack it up to 725+ core and rock in just about any game below that. At 19x12 and up, you start having problems keeping up with a gtx/ultra, even with a massive oc.

so how is the 9800gtx going to do at very high res + AA/AF? If they have really introduced optimizations for the 9xxx series then I see it doing very well, probably +10% over the ultra. If these optimizations are just marketing mumbo-jumbo then we could see it struggling to keep up with the 8800gtx. THAT would be a serious letdown, but it would give all of those people who bought the 8800gtx a good feeling for the ages...

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Intel is buying nvidia.

QWWAAAHHHHH?????

This changes everything. I feel like i am in the matrix

Yes it's the Dot Matrix. It has a huge impact on everything.

 

[taltamir]

good point bryan... How does it compare to ultra in 1920x1200 with max everything is the big question. That would make it or kill it... although the price is less then the ultra, much less.

its all a die shrink giving same performance at half the price so far. without pushing the envelope, unfortunately.

 

[bryanW1995]

well, it will be RELEASED at a much lower price point, but I don't think that it would that difficult to get an ultra for under $400 these days, even a new one. I read yesterday a post by someone who got shafted by that dell 8800gt deal and got an ultra for $450 from them instead. An 8800gtx is REALLY cheap now, too, isn't that one creeping close to $300?

 

[BassBomb]

Win what?

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Win what?

I hope they come out ahead with the R700 in single gpu competition versus the 9800gtx.