Nvidia is releasing New cards soon.

[Cookie Monster]

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Sources from the graphic market tipped nVidia planned to put Geforce 7900GS into retail market in late August. The price is between $179 and $199. It targets on ATi?s new mainstream product in October - Radeon X1650XT.

Geforce 7900GS is originally a special version for the OEM market, where it has been used in mainstream to high-end branded PC like Dell, HP and Lenovo. Share the same core with 7900GT as G71, the GS version has 1 less Pixel and Vertex Shader Unit. There are 20 Pixel Shader Pineline and 7 Vertex Shader Engine, like 7800GS. The core speed is 450MHz, together with 256MB memory at 1.32GHz.

Its rival, ATi Radeon X1650 is available in October. It?s manufactured by TSMC with 80nm process, and is more powerful than RV530. RV560 has 8 Pixel Shader Unit and 24 Pixel Shader Processor, with 600MHz core speed and 1.4GHz memory speed. The build-in CrossFire Compositing Engine makes the cards to achieve CrossFire without Master/Salve card. With no doubt, it?s a great product. Yet its rivals nVidia Geforce 7900GS and 7600GT are a headache to ATi.

In addition, the retail price of Geforce 7600GT has been reduced to $130. Since OEM manufacturer Palit has got a special price of G73GT from nVidia, the price war on Geforce 7600GT has begun. To lower the cost, manufactures are releasing 7600GT in 4-level PCB. Therefore, the sales in ATi Radeon X1600 family have been greatly affected by the price war.

The latest price for Radeon X1650XT is $169-$199, targeting on Geforce 7600GT. To facing nVidia Geforce 7900GS and the price cut of Geforce 7600GT, ATi has to give out new strategy to keep Radeon X1650XT in a benefited position. And the market has also expected nVidia will release more new high-end products in the short coming future to against Radeon X1950PRO (RV570). The new product is probably called Geforce 7950GT.

But most importantly no G80 yet? (since the new cards are targeted to ATi's new offerings around October)

 

[Kromis]

Hell yeah! This upcoming winter is gonna be one hell of a season! I mean, we got the Wii, PS3 (DIE!), Gears of War, new ATi/Nvidia cards, and more Conroe!!!

 

[secretanchitman]

wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Well, Vista could be delayed again and by the time VIsta is released.. there wont be much DX10 games. Maybe later around late 07 that DX10 would be in full swing.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

Do you think all of the sudden, there will be a flood of DX10 games? Or for that matter, a flood of Vista gamers? Do you not remember how long it took for several DX9 games to come out?

 

[Josh7289]

The best thing I see coming out of all of this is 7600 GTs for $130! Looks like I'm going to upgrade my 6600 GT soon!

 

[Nelsieus]

Sounds interesting...

 

[boomdart]

No kidding :squint:

I remember every game I downloaded (demos ofcourse) needed direct x 9 comp. cards all the sudden.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

Do you think all of the sudden, there will be a flood of DX10 games? Or for that matter, a flood of Vista gamers? Do you not remember how long it took for several DX9 games to come out?

I sooooo hate to agree with Ackmed but....

We have not even seen that many DirectX 9.0c games yet. It could be many years before DirectX10 really matters.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

Do you think all of the sudden, there will be a flood of DX10 games? Or for that matter, a flood of Vista gamers? Do you not remember how long it took for several DX9 games to come out?

I sooooo hate to agree with Ackmed but....

We have not even seen that many DirectX 9.0c games yet. It could be many years before DirectX10 really matters.

Hell has frozen over

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[tuteja1986]

I knew it , that Nvidia didn't want to launch G80 in september. I think G80 may come out in late december or early jan

But i would think games like UT2007 , Crysis , Hellgate London , Flight Simulator X , Age of Conan , Supreme Commanders , Cell Factor and more that i can't remember are DX 10 games.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

This needs a poll. Do you think:
1) nVidia is dumping G71 inventory before G80 comes out?
2) G80? It's a long way off and this is a stop-gap offering.

I think it's option (2)

 

[redbox]

Do you think all of the sudden, there will be a flood of DX10 games? Or for that matter, a flood of Vista gamers? Do you not remember how long it took for several DX9 games to come out?

We have not even seen that many DirectX 9.0c games yet. It could be many years before DirectX10 really matters.

Still, it is sad to hear that G80 will most likely be delayed again. While DX9 games are still going to be out there, I think more games are going to be a kind of hybrid based like Crysis--supporting DX9 and 10 features. It would be nice to mark the transistion somewhere instead of continuing the constant refreshes of the already aging hardware.

Of course, this might help bring down the prices to the 7950's and the X1900's even more, which is always nice. Meanwhile I'm going to go in the basement and work on my time machine.......

 

[Dufrane]

Is it going to be agp based pci express based or both????

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

So the 7950GT and 7900GS are suddenly not refreshes but the X1950 is? :roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

So the 7950GT and 7900GS are suddenly not refreshes but the X1950 is? :roll:

They are refreshes. All of them. I understood his post to include all the cards mentioned in the article. Not once did secretanchitman state that the 7950GT and 7900GS were not refreshes. None of the cards are DX10 cards. He states "pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner." This would include all non dx10 cards.

 

[Genx87]

They didnt talk much in their conference call. My guess is it has been pushed off. I hope it shows up before christmas but with ATI blowing wind lately, that is probably a pipedream.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
wow...more obscure names. no point for these worthless cards. first the X1950XT, now a X1650XT. there is no need for ANOTHER refresh.

im no ati basher/nvidia lover, but i think its getting rather pointless to release "newer" cards when directx10 is around the corner.

Do you think all of the sudden, there will be a flood of DX10 games? Or for that matter, a flood of Vista gamers? Do you not remember how long it took for several DX9 games to come out?

I'd say the adoption of DX10 as a requirement will take twice as long as DX9 because of the massive userbase of WinXP, an OS DX10 wont ever run on.

People betting the farm on these cards to play DX10 are dreaming anyways. There wont be many games that take advantage of DX10 in the first gens lifecycle and the ones that do, they will probably suck total ass in performance.

I am waiting for the next gen for its better DX9 performance and that is it.

 

[Nightmare225]

I think they're dumping their g70s in order to make room for the g80s...

 

[Pugnate]

I hope it is a dump for the G80. I can't wait much longer.

 

[zendari]

Both companies are releasing way too many cards, way too often. Theres no need for an XTX/XT/XL/GT/GTO/Pro models.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: zendari
Both companies are releasing way too many cards, way too often. Theres no need for an XTX/XT/XL/GT/GTO/Pro models.

Since when did too many choices become a bad thing? I would rather have too many cards at competitive prices than too few cards being sold for rip-offs.

 

[Zinthar]

Originally posted by: zendari
Both companies are releasing way too many cards, way too often. Theres no need for an XTX/XT/XL/GT/GTO/Pro models.

I think they're partially designed to confuse less educated consumers into thinking that the performance of one card in a family is similar in performance to its higher-end siblings (i.e. 7900 GT vs. 7900 GTX and X1900 GT vs. X1900 XTX). What I don't quite understand is the inclusion of the X1900 XT on the ATI side...maybe they think that people won't realize that its performance is with 5% of the XTX?!? Not that I should complain, since I just bought an X1900XT for $280 after mail-in rebate.

 

[Pugnate]

It is crazy and a damn money making scheme. Both are sitting on much more powerful tech., but won't release it. They'd rather charge dough for minor updates.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: zendari
Both companies are releasing way too many cards, way too often. Theres no need for an XTX/XT/XL/GT/GTO/Pro models.

Since when did too many choices become a bad thing? I would rather have too many cards at competitive prices than too few cards being sold for rip-offs.

Choice is fine when its between companies. Choice within a company is usually to rip the consumer off, as the previous poster said.

ATI had it right back with the 9700, where they refreshed it once, with a real upgrade. In a shorter period of time, the x1800 xt has been refreshed with 2, soon to be 3 new cards. And the x1900 xtx > x1950 xtx? Setting aside the ridiculously lengthy name, there's barely a core upgrade.

And why does a part like the x1800 gto exist?