nvidia in the newspaper...

[kylebisme]

... the funny pages that is.

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20040204.html

 

[Jeff7]

Ouch.
Not just nVidia either...that could apply (well, besides the part about drivers) to quite a few corporations, not just in the computer business, though.... *cough*APPLE*cough*

 

[Dustswirl]

Buckley's is good for coughs

*cough*G5*cough* eh?

 

[InlineFive]

Repost. Still funny though.

 

[nRollo]

Hmmm. What benchmarks are nVidia chips slower in, on games I can buy/play?

In Anand's new review, the 5900 did pretty well:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1955

Or were you talking about the Shady Days, using the game that's due out 9/03....errr....3/04.....errr....6/04......errr...well, it's coming someday anyway....just like Duke Nuke'm 4ever! Any day now!

 

[VIAN]

Funny.

 

[SneakyStuff]

haha i haven't liked nVidia as much after that whole 5800 series fiasco, wow, what a gigantic mistake. They claimed it would be.... THE FASTEST VIDEO CARD...EVER!!! yet the radeons beat it up black and blue if i recall......... Then they blamed the drivers, saying the card is way ahead of its' time, so if 128 bit interface is the future, i suppose by their logic i should switch back to my pentium II

 

[modedepe]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Ouch.
Not just nVidia either...that could apply (well, besides the part about drivers) to quite a few corporations, not just in the computer business, though.... *cough*APPLE*cough*

So true. Thanks for the laugh

 

[Insomniak]

As much as I hate participating in the grafix card wars, that was pretty funny.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
haha i haven't liked nVidia as much after that whole 5800 series fiasco, wow, what a gigantic mistake. They claimed it would be.... THE FASTEST VIDEO CARD...EVER!!! yet the radeons beat it up black and blue if i recall......... Then they blamed the drivers, saying the card is way ahead of its' time, so if 128 bit interface is the future, i suppose by their logic i should switch back to my pentium II

heh.. and apparently you've forgotten the claims ati made with their 7500 and 8500 (and hell.. the extravagant things that were said about the rage series!).

but i do agree the 5800 was a fiasco and huge mistake, but they're not the only company that made a bad decision, and they surely won't be the last.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Yeah, it could apply to Intel (Prescott), ATI (Quack, Quack), NVidia (Dustbuster), AMD, etc, etc

 

[nRollo]

but i do agree the 5800 was a fiasco and huge mistake, but they're not the only company that made a bad decision, and they surely won't be the last.

I assume you can post some links to 5800s getting beaten by 9700s then?

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: Rollo

but i do agree the 5800 was a fiasco and huge mistake, but they're not the only company that made a bad decision, and they surely won't be the last.

I assume you can post some links to 5800s getting beaten by 9700s then?

You need to ask yourself, even if there was such a link to be found, would anyone really care? The 5800 series is now a bad memory for nVidia, and they are not producing 5800 chips anymore to begin with. The Radeon 9700 family is still quite lively however

 

[nRollo]

My point was for all the bad press the 5800 got it wasn't a bad card. I had one for a while, it was a little slower than the 9700P I had before it, but not an unusable video card by any means.

 

[kylebisme]

well it is full persison floating point pixel shaders were the 5800 really sucks bad, which at the time was only shown by 3dmark. granted nvidia promptly went to accuseing futuremark of intentionaly skewing the results and at came out with drivers which pulled just about every dirty trick in the book to up their scores. however, that does nothing to change the fact that the 5800 sucks in full persison floating point pixel shaders.

 

[Keysplayr]

Just thought I'd chime in here. With Nvidia's latest drivers, the 5800Ultra very often outperforms a regular 5900nu.

Just take a look at this and go through all the benchmark graphs briefly to see what I mean.
With driver maturity, the 5800U now does very well as does the 5800nu. At least, its a far cry better than when it first launched.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Just thought I'd chime in here. With Nvidia's latest drivers, the 5800Ultra very often outperforms a regular 5900nu.

Just take a look at this and go through all the benchmark graphs briefly to see what I mean.
With driver maturity, the 5800U now does very well as does the 5800nu. At least, its a far cry better than when it first launched.

Well said My 5800U has improved with age like a good bottle of :wine: Now that I've added a A64 it really has been impressive considering it's horrible red headed step-child beginnings. I can still get a nice overclock from the card while running the AGP out of spec too, so I'm pleased with it considering I paid what a 5600U flip chip cost when I picked it up slightly used

 

[Keysplayr]

:wine:
Nice deal punisher!!! I was looking for a used one myself a short while ago. Couldn't find any so I gave up and got the 5900nu.

LOLOL Red headed step child!! ROFLMAO!!

Keys

 

[rbV5]

I assume you can post some links to 5800s getting beaten by 9700s then?

Here's one:
Link

Summary Quote from link:
I had one for a while, it was a little slower than the 9700P I had before it,
LOL keep 'em comin'

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I assume you can post some links to 5800s getting beaten by 9700s then?

The 5800 is slower than the 9700 in almost all of the THG benches keysplayr posted.

Considering the 5900 is supposed to have double the PS "power" of a 5800, it's curious that both score the same in Halo in PS2.0 mode. I'd have expected the 5900 to pull away with more shader ops and bandwidth per clock....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: Rollo
I assume you can post some links to 5800s getting beaten by 9700s then?

The 5800 is slower than the 9700 in almost all of the THG benches keysplayr posted.

Considering the 5900 is supposed to have double the PS "power" of a 5800, it's curious that both score the same in Halo in PS2.0 mode. I'd have expected the 5900 to pull away with more shader ops and bandwidth per clock....

Maybe the 5800 and 5900 are more similar than we believe they are.
The 5900 may have a 256 bit mem bus but the 5800U has 100Mhz higher core speed and 150Mhz faster DDRII memory. The DDRII memory I think is the key because look how well the 5700U scales in some benches.

 

[nRollo]

rbv5:

I had one for a while, it was a little slower than the 9700P I had before it,
LOL keep 'em comin'

You doubt this? The built OC utility ran it at 500/1007 (5800Ultra) speed, giving it a memory bandwidth of 16 GB/sec and a higher fill rate than the 9700 Pro, if I remember right. When I didn't OC it, it was a little slower at AA/AF, but it wasn't like the games were stuttering.

Pete:

The 5800 is slower than the 9700 in almost all of the THG benches keysplayr posted

If you read those benchmarks you referenced, you know that the 5800s and 9700s were too close in all of them to pick one way or another. Full precision PS2 hasn't proved to be much of an issue yet either.
If you bought a 5800U back in Jan 03, you would have had a card that was as fast as a 9700 Pro for over a year now, and would have missed out on the glory that is Tomb Raider. Oh no. The fact of the matter is the 5800s compete well at all relevant benchmarks and would have been suitable options. The only downside was the noise of the Ultra fans on some models.

 

[rbV5]

You doubt this? The built OC utility ran it at 500/1007 (5800Ultra) speed

haha, its a comic strip thread. I thought it somewhat funny that you asked for a thread to back up claims of the 9700 being faster than the 5800, and then like 2 posts later you seem to say that your 5800 was a little slower than your 9700. Man you are a riot.......its a joke son, lighten up

 

[nRollo]

I guess the point is the 5800/9700 situation was a lot like the 5900/9800 situation is. nVidia is a little faster at some, a little slower at others.

Certainly not the "joke" and "mistake" people made it out to be. The PS2 performance has proven to be irrelevant a year later, and the performance at everything else was pretty close once they ironed out the bugs and cheats in the drivers. (and yes, I said "cheats", no one needs to go there again. we all know nVidia had some cheats in their drivers, maybe still does. we have Cindy and Rogo to tell us every day)

 

[kylebisme]

another issue with the 5800 that made me laugh at nvidias claims was the hit in aa and af performace, as well as the inferior aa.