NVIDIA holding back an Ultra G70?

[imported_humey]

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjI3

 

[SynthDude2001]

Interesting. They just need to release the damn cards though.

 

[bjc112]

Blah..

Still nothing but speculation.. I am excited for the new cards though.. Even though the 6800/x800 series is fast, I want almost double the power!!!

Come on nVidia/ATI!!

 

[Cheesetogo]

"X900" What are these people talking about. Just because ATi has run out of numbers does not mean that they will continue the x series. It's called the r520, while the x series are all r4xx chips. Stupid reviewers! The ultra thing is likely though.

 

[RichUK]

Hexus.net reviewer
The irony is that ATI are likely to do something very similar with their PRO, XT and XT PE variants of whatever product R520 will end up powering. My money is on X900.
.

Shame he is an ATI FANBOI ..

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Hexus.net reviewer
The irony is that ATI are likely to do something very similar with their PRO, XT and XT PE variants of whatever product R520 will end up powering. My money is on X900.
.

Shame he is an ATI FANBOI ..

I could be wrong, but i took it he was just saying his money was on that the name would be x900, i didnt take it he meant it would be faster.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: bjc112
Blah..

Still nothing but speculation.. I am excited for the new cards though.. Even though the 6800/x800 series is fast, I want almost double the power!!!

Come on nVidia/ATI!!

heh.. this one is worse than speculation.. it's just a "feeling"...

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
heh.. this one is worse than speculation.. it's just a "feeling"...

Still better than what we have. He can talk to people face to face and get a "feel" for what's going on behind closed doors. Lots of people aren't able to keep a straight face when they have a little nugget of secret info Besides it would be stupid if Nvidia didn't plan for R520's release.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
"X900" What are these people talking about. Just because ATi has run out of numbers does not mean that they will continue the x series. It's called the r520, while the x series are all r4xx chips. Stupid reviewers! The ultra thing is likely though.

R520 is the codename for the chip. It is highly unlikely that the product will be released under that name. X900 seems far more likely

 

[ddogg]

pretty interesting although still just speculation...lets just wait n see

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
"X900" What are these people talking about. Just because ATi has run out of numbers does not mean that they will continue the x series. It's called the r520, while the x series are all r4xx chips. Stupid reviewers! The ultra thing is likely though.

R520 is the codename for the chip. It is highly unlikely that the product will be released under that name. X900 seems far more likely

No, I was saying that since its of a whole new sreies, the r5xx, that it would not make sense for it's real name to be of the x series, as that series is all r4xx chips. The r5xx is a whole new series, and will probobaly not be of the x series.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
"X900" What are these people talking about. Just because ATi has run out of numbers does not mean that they will continue the x series. It's called the r520, while the x series are all r4xx chips. Stupid reviewers! The ultra thing is likely though.

R520 is the codename for the chip. It is highly unlikely that the product will be released under that name. X900 seems far more likely

No, I was saying that since its of a whole new sreies, the r5xx, that it would not make sense for it's real name to be of the x series, as that series is all r4xx chips. The r5xx is a whole new series, and will probobaly not be of the x series.

So, what do you think? "Y800" or "XI800"? X900 does sound better, but they would run into a problem with their mid-range chips if they stuck with the X series. Maybe it's time to drop the whole "RADEON" bit and go with a new name, once you hit 10, your model numbering scheme is usually dead.

Back on topic. If they are holding back, and nVidia is forced to launch the Ultra card when R520 comes out, that would mean than there will at least be 2 SLI capable cards in nVidia's next gen, contrary to the other rumors we've been lead to believe. I also wonder if nVidia will once again release a GT(X) card that overclocks to Ultra card specs so easily.

 

[ryanv12]

When I'm finally ready to purchase a new graphics card in a year or so, I'd love to get one of those 7800 Ultra's

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: bjc112
Blah..

Still nothing but speculation.. I am excited for the new cards though.. Even though the 6800/x800 series is fast, I want almost double the power!!!

Come on nVidia/ATI!!

heh.. this one is worse than speculation.. it's just a "feeling"...

My knee's hurtin'. Must be weather comin'.

 

[thegimp03]

I wouldn't be surprised. They'll just bump the clock speed up more and add more ram.

 

[PrayForDeath]

IMHO it's very unlikely for ATI to name their new cards X900 because they'll have to introduce a whole new line from high-end to budget and I don't they'll call it X990/X970/X960/X930.
I heard somewhere it's gonna be called 11800, but that is lame too.

 

[legcramp]

damn they didnt have the replace the ULTRA name heeh I liked it but anyways, who cares about the name, it can be named dirtbag for all I care..just perform! ehhe

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RIFLEMAN007
damn they didnt have the replace the ULTRA name heeh I liked it but anyways, who cares about the name, it can be named dirtbag for all I care..just perform! ehhe

we already has a nVidia "Dustbuster'
:roll:

Anybody get the LATEST?


R520 has 32 pipelines, 24 working; 90 nanometre hot chip

IT MIGHT be the only chip capable of doing H.264 video in hardware for a while, as we believe that not even Nvidia G70 will be able to do this. H.264 is next generation codec used for HD-DVD content. Despite that we heard more than once that R520 aka Fudo is the biggest chip ever built.

R520 was showed in Taiwan and it's up and running, showcasing two games, PREY and Alan Wake at ATI booth and doing some H.264 video decoding at a different corner.

We learned that R520 might be quite hot as it is the biggest chip ever with its 300+ millions transistors. Since its 90 nanometre its kind of logical that you can place quite a lot of pipelines under its hood and it turns out that ATI has managed to pack in 32 pipes. Having 32 happy Scottish chaps in kilts playing the pipes at the same time is perhaps the best metaphor.

We wrote about this before but I don?t think ATI will decide about final pipe number until it seas Nvidia's G70, Geforce 7800GTX in action. ATI will have to choose between 24 pipeline part of the nasty decision of having all 32 pipes working at once. If R520 manages to defeat G70 ATI will stick to 24 pipes story and all will be happy in Toronto and ATI's part of Santa Clara. If G70 scores better then ATI will have to enable all 32 pipes. The real problem is that at 32 pipelines yields are not that good as we are talking about very complex chip.

Whatever Nvidia do ATI have reasonable chances this time around. We even heard from Hexus that Nvidia might have some G70 Ultra card in its pocket saving it for rainy days.

G70 comes at some cost to make

We learned that Taiwanese based companies are going to pay no more and no less than $357 for the cards.

ATI Crossfire to come in warm summer [/quote]ATI plans to sample Crossfire enabled boards till the end of the month while its retail availability is expected in July. We believe that it might even slip to August.

Nvidia SLI is its true competitor and SLI is now in good shape, shipping for months now, let's be fair and say a half year already. SLI might have some problems with games here and there and no one can say that this won't be the case with ATI's Crossfire despite company's claims.

Crossfire indeed looks great but it might be some time before we see it on the market and if you think about it Nvidia will announce its G70 before ATI manages to ship its first Crossfire system, at least that?s how it looks like now.

So the next big fight is not G70 vs. R520 it's more likely two G70s in SLI versus two Fudos in Multi VPU, Crossfire[/quote]


:roll:

there's your likely timeline . . . ATi is holding back, nVidia is holding back . . . . OF COURSE we'll see an Ultra
:roll:

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: RichUK

Hexus.net reviewer
The irony is that ATI are likely to do something very similar with their PRO, XT and XT PE variants of whatever product R520 will end up powering. My money is on X900.
.

Shame he is an ATI FANBOI ..

I could be wrong, but i took it he was just saying his money was on that the name would be x900, i didnt take it he meant it would be faster.

No, you're right. Rys was more than likely betting on the retail name, not the benchmark winnar.

People need to lay off the fanboi button.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: RIFLEMAN007
damn they didnt have the replace the ULTRA name heeh I liked it but anyways, who cares about the name, it can be named dirtbag for all I care..just perform! ehhe

lol ya as long as it performs in the games I want it to.

 

[sandorski]

ATI will release X900 Pro, Nvidia the Ultra
ATI will respond with X900XT, Nvidia the Super Ultra
ATI the X900XT+, Nvidia the Super Ultra Fantastic!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sandorski
ATI will release X900 Pro, Nvidia the Ultra
ATI will respond with X900XT, Nvidia the Super Ultra
ATI the X900XT+, Nvidia the Super Ultra Fantastic!

you forgot the 'refresh' . . . x950xt-PE and the 7850Ultimate-UltraOC
:roll:




only$599 [eachx2]

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI will have to choose between 24 pipeline part of the nasty decision of having all 32 pipes working at once. If R520 manages to defeat G70 ATI will stick to 24 pipes story and all will be happy in Toronto and ATI's part of Santa Clara. If G70 scores better then ATI will have to enable all 32 pipes. The real problem is that at 32 pipelines yields are not that good as we are talking about very complex chip.

I find it more likely that ATI will simply produce all cores as 32 pipeline variations then bin them. The good cores keep all 32 pipes activated while the defective ones get 8 pipes shut down and it's retested as a 24 pipe core, possibly all the way down to 16 pipes. That would greatly minimize losses due to manufacturing defects.

They did it with the 9500/9700 and again with the X800 Pro/X800XT so I don't see them stopping this trend anytime soon.

Looks like RivaTuner and its softmod utility is going to need a new revision pretty soon.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI will have to choose between 24 pipeline part of the nasty decision of having all 32 pipes working at once. If R520 manages to defeat G70 ATI will stick to 24 pipes story and all will be happy in Toronto and ATI's part of Santa Clara. If G70 scores better then ATI will have to enable all 32 pipes. The real problem is that at 32 pipelines yields are not that good as we are talking about very complex chip.

I find it more likely that ATI will simply produce all cores as 32 pipeline variations then bin them. The good cores keep all 32 pipes activated while the defective ones get 8 pipes shut down and it's retested as a 24 pipe core, possibly all the way down to 16 pipes. That would greatly minimize losses due to manufacturing defects.

They did it with the 9500/9700 and again with the X800 Pro/X800XT so I don't see them stopping this trend anytime soon.

Looks like RivaTuner and its softmod utility is going to need a new revision pretty soon.

If pipes are done in quads, why not a 28 pipe card?

 

[ryanv12]

Maybe the G70 will have 32 pipes, but only 24 enabled? Don't have to wait very long to find out though haha.