Nvidia gtx 690m

J.Dre

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Does anyone know anything about this? Have you heard anything? Couldn't care less for rumors.

Is it likely a new release of the 690M or 7 series will occur within the next 6-9 months? Thanks for taking the time to discuss!

J.Dre
 
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  1. Does anyone know anything about this? Heard anything (except rumors - don't care).
  2. Is it likely a new release of the 690M or 7 series will occur within the next 6-9 months?
If it hasn't been officially announced, the only other source of news is from rumors.
 

J.Dre

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They released the GTX 690 for Desktops already, so that is my main reasoning for creating such a thread - unsure whether or not they release mobile/desktop near each other or not.

I assume not too long from each other.
 
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RussianSensation

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I'm not speculating that there will be a 690M anytime soon, but I plan to purchase an Alienware m17x this fall and would hate to have an outdated graphics card on a nearly $4,000 laptop within months after purchasing it!

How are you spending $4K on this laptop? Ok let's break this down.

Firstly, HD7970M and GTX680M are going to be nearly identical in performance. Right there that should give you pause why in the world you are spending $850 more for 680M configuration.....

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Look at the prices:

17x with HD7970M with i7-3610QM 8GB DDR3 = $1,849
17x with GTX690M with i7-3610QM 8GB DDR3 = $2,699

Doesn't take a lot to realize the system with the NV card is awful value. The 680M laptop costs 46% more!

Secondly, moving onto the CPU side of things. You should buy the cheapest version of the CPU which is 3610QM. The i7-3720QM $150 upgrade and especially the i7-3820QM $350 upgrades are a HUGE waste of $.

The difference in performance between these 3 CPUs will be indistinguishable (3.3ghz vs. 3.7ghz). If you are going to be CPU limited, 3.7ghz won't help you either since you'll probably need a Core i5/i7 at 4.5-5.0ghz. If you are going to be GPU limited, then again it won't matter.

You are better off using that $150-350 CPU upgrade to get a larger sized SSD such as Samsung 830 series or Vertex 4. That's going to benefit loading games, and make the laptop snappy.

So now instead of a $4k Laptop, you'll be looking at $1850 17x 7970M system + SSD upgrade (this combo got great reviews) and then just upgrade the HD7970M gpu to the new HD8970 GPU when it launches with the savings.

That's what I would do. I've seen guys dump their HD6970M for HD7970M when the new mobile radeons launched. HD8000 series mobile chips will surely launch before GTX700 series.

Also, stand alone HD Mobile GPUs are generally cheaper to buy later too than NV counterparts. So instead of "future proofing" by buying 2 GTX680M / hoping for a 690M, you are better off getting a 7970M system now and then continue to upgrade that GPU with all the savings you'll have from not blowing $4k on a 690M system that will get owned by Maxwell and HD9000 series already in 2014. What I am saying is the $700-800 you'll save now will net you 50-100% performance increase with future GPU upgrades but 680M may be 5-10% faster against an HD7970M which imo is a pure NV mobile GPU mark-up that they love to tack on to their mobile GPUs.

Let me know if I missed something between those 2 laptop configurations because I am not seeing how a slightly larger mechanical hard drive and 680M GPU is adding any sort of $700-800 value the 2nd system commands, unless you think the 120Hz 3D Vision screen/glasses bundle with the latter system is worth that much to you?
 
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J.Dre

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The 120hz screen and 512 GB SSD RAID 0 is why it will be over $4,000, as well as some accessories and the GPU. But I may just purchase a 512 GB SSD aftermarket from Amazon.com.

I'm just reading a lot of benchmarks on the 690 for desktop and it's amazingly better than the 680 for desktop, so I'm worried if they release the 690m soon, I'll see the same results.
 
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RussianSensation

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The 120hz screen and 512 GB SSD RAID 0 is why it will be over $4,000, as well as some accessories and the GPU. But I may just purchase a 512 GB SSD aftermarket from Amazon.com.

Keep in mind in RAID mode the TRIM command function for SSDs doesn't work which means the SSD will slow down even more. Look at this quick review to see that RAIDed SSDs suffer a lot because of not being to use TRIM over time as they are used:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/22358/6

I guess if you are going to install that many games at once it could get very expensive if you want to store all of them on one large SSD. The prices of SSDs drop significantly every single year though. 128-256GB is the sweet spot right now with 512GB drives still being very expensive ($400-600). By fall when you are ready to buy, prices should drop even more.

For now $210 256GB Crucial M4 or similar looks good and you can use the mechanical drive as additional store. Not sure if that laptop has spaces for 2 hard drives but I would imagine it does. Then you could load the most recent games you play on that 256GB SSD and keep movies, music and pictures on the mechanical drive that comes free with the laptop.

But I mean it's totally your choice.

I'm just reading a lot of benchmarks on the 690 for desktop and it's amazingly better than the 680 for desktop, so I'm worried if they release the 690m soon, I'll see the same results.

Yes, that's because GTX690 = GTX680 x 2. It's just 2x 680s on 1 card. So if you get a laptop with GTX680 SLI, that's the same idea. (the GTX680M version is not as fast as GTX680 desktop version though).

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Because GTX690 is 2 GPUs, that's why it's so much faster. Since NV will surely sell GTX680 SLI for laptops, I have a feeling the GTX690M version will be a single-gpu with just higher specifications/clock speeds. Of course that's just a guess. ;)

But look at this link again: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

See how HD7970 M and GTX680 M are faster than 2x previous generation high-end cards: HD6970/6990 M Crossfire or GTX580M SLI?

That's what I am saying that in 2-3 years there will be a new mobile GPU as fast as GTX690M so no point in worrying about waiting for 690M since NV will release Maxwell architecture to replace Kepler (GTX600/700) series in 2014 or so. You'll have plenty of time to upgrade your GPU. Your laptop won't be "outdated".

See how right now you can buy standalone GPU upgrades for laptops:

HD6970M for $329
HD7970M for $700

If NV launches GTX690M or there are GTX680 SLI laptop options, you could always consider those later in the fall, or the surely much cheaper and just as fast HD7970 M Cross-fire since high-end AMD mobile GPUs always cost less.

But even if you don't, you don't need to worry that your laptop is "outdated" even if you just buy it with 1 GPU today since you'll be able to buy a standalone upgrade for it down the line. If you want 3D Vision / 3D gaming though, then I would recommend the NV setup.

BTW, you can already get "GTX690M" performance in a laptop because Alienware sells Dual GTX680M in SLI, starting at $3,099 in their 18x line.
 
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KompuKare

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Ok, no intention of writing a monster post like RS, but you do realise that a 690 is just two 680 stuck on one card and SLI'ed?

Therefore there will not be any 690M. However for those with money (and a lap) to burn some laptop vendor 'may' do a model with two 680M in SLI but it will get rather hot, be loud and I for one do not trust any laptop design with that much heat (and certainly not Nvidia's).
 

J.Dre

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Ah, I see. In other words, I don't have to worry about anything.

Thanks for explaining this, it helps.
 

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How is the 680m not any faster than the 7970m? The 7970m is a desktop 7870 and the 680m is a desktop 670.

Also, don't forget that AMD had a single GPU 6990m. Nvidia could release a 690m, but it would probably just be a full 680 core.
 

Olikan

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How is the 680m not any faster than the 7970m? The 7970m is a desktop 7870 and the 680m is a desktop 670.

Also, don't forget that AMD had a single GPU 6990m. Nvidia could release a 690m, but it would probably just be a full 680 core.

the 670 had to be way underclocked to meet the 100W TDP...
the 7870 didn't much...

a full core 680 would still need to be way underclocked to not let your lappy melt...

and.....lol, following nvidia current pricing a 7990M could be 700 buck cheaper than a 690 o_O
 

hawtdawg

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the 670 had to be way underclocked to meet the 100W TDP...
the 7870 didn't much...

a full core 680 would still need to be way underclocked to not let your lappy melt...

and.....lol, following nvidia current pricing a 7990M could be 700 buck cheaper than a 690 o_O

you can overclock them right? I am able to overvolt and overclock my 4870m's pretty good (100mhz core and 300 memory), and they barely hit 80C with furmark. Granted, it had to be done via vBIOS flash.
 

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you can overclock them right? I am able to overvolt and overclock my 4870m's pretty good (100mhz core and 300 memory), and they barely hit 80C with furmark. Granted, it had to be done via vBIOS flash.

the 7970M is a very good overclocker... reach 1Ghz, from 0.85Ghz stock (some ppl reached 1.1Ghz)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/661854-7970m-how-high-can-overclock.html
the 680M needs to be lunched first, than we can talk about overclocks
 
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