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Conky

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This is the first screen you see when you start to install the game.

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*Saved as a .bmp then converted to a .jpg in photoshop with no adjustments other than to make it a more managable size file.*

Does the left side actually look better to you with the "features on"? I am thinking the King is wearing no clothes at this point. I'd like an explanation.
 
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SynthDude2001

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That's a poor screenshot that they chose for the installer. I've seen some screenshots of the "Next Gen Features" that look a lot better than that.
 
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Raduque

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It looks like HDR to me.... sort of. It looks a little better overall on the right side, imo.
 
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Conky

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I'm not a fanboy on either side, believe it or not, but seeing this set of screenshots by Nvidia makes me wonder if they think people simply take their word that a "feature" is better looking and desirable.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, lol. I'm thinking maybe the guy they hired from the old 3dfx who thought "motion blur" was a selling feature is now trying to sell us on these new "features". :laugh:
 
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framerateuk

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I hope this actually means that the PC version will be directly comparable to the 360 version? And not just a port of the other console versions with some extra features slapped on?
 
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BFG10K

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It's a mixed bag - Lara looks cartoonish on the left but the lighting is better in the scene.

As for the setup screen, it's probably going to be a another TWIMTBP title that ATi runs faster and better than nVidia, just like numerous other such titles in the past.
 
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Lonyo

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Why is there no shadow on the left, but there is a shadow on the right? (On Lara)
Unless the lighting is totally different and comes from a different direction, surely there should still be a shadow?
 
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letdown427

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The lighting clearly looks far more prominent on the left picture, but her shadow has disappeared.

I'd say the right picturte looks more realistic though, I mean, that's an incredibly shiny stone statue head thing in the left picture. Maybe that's what removed her shadow?

 
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One of these days I am going to have to seriously break down and buy a new video card. Got a X800XL now and have not seen HDR in actual gameplay. But from what I have seen of screenshots I just seriously dont get it. HDR should be called Overbright imo as all it does is makes everything too bright. At least thats what every single screenshot from Oblivion to Farcry has made it look like imo. Anyone ever hear of Contrast? Every HDR screenshot looks washed out and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOO BRIGHT!!!!

Now I must be wrong on this as alot of people really speak highly of HDR, but its the weakest looking benefit, at least in screenshots, that I have ever seen. For instance, FSAA obvious improvement in screenshots, AF obvious improvement in screenshots, etc, etc. Just cant see it at all with HDR. And this screenshot is no exception, washed out, waaay too bright, and imo looks much worse than the other. Contrast PLEASE!!!!!
 
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Conky

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Originally posted by: dfloyd
One of these days I am going to have to seriously break down and buy a new video card. Got a X800XL now and have not seen HDR in actual gameplay. But from what I have seen of screenshots I just seriously dont get it. HDR should be called Overbright imo as all it does is makes everything too bright. At least thats what every single screenshot from Oblivion to Farcry has made it look like imo. Anyone ever hear of Contrast? Every HDR screenshot looks washed out and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOO BRIGHT!!!!

Now I must be wrong on this as alot of people really speak highly of HDR, but its the weakest looking benefit, at least in screenshots, that I have ever seen. For instance, FSAA obvious improvement in screenshots, AF obvious improvement in screenshots, etc, etc. Just cant see it at all with HDR. And this screenshot is no exception, washed out, waaay too bright, and imo looks much worse than the other. Contrast PLEASE!!!!!
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That's what I'm saying too. I don't see why the Overbright is a feature I want. I want screenshots I can relate to and say "yeah, now that looks better".


 
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Played the demo anyone?

Well from the demo i thought it looked brilliant and in fact couldnt care less because it seems to be a great game.

Oh and the fact that they had to release a patch ALREADY to sort out some nVidia performance issues, and from what im hearing with all these features on on a 6800 its barely playable.
 
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, lol. I'm thinking maybe the guy they hired from the old 3dfx who thought "motion blur" was a selling feature is now trying to sell us on these new "features"
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Isn't motion blur a feature that Project Offset is going to execute in their upcoming engine?

One of these days I am going to have to seriously break down and buy a new video card. Got a X800XL now and have not seen HDR in actual gameplay. But from what I have seen of screenshots I just seriously dont get it. HDR should be called Overbright imo as all it does is makes everything too bright. At least thats what every single screenshot from Oblivion to Farcry has made it look like imo. Anyone ever hear of Contrast? Every HDR screenshot looks washed out and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOO BRIGHT!!!!
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Everything I've heard, and from looking at myself, indicates that you can't judge a game just by the screenshots--most of the time they don't compare to the actual game in motion. Have you played a game with HDR and AA? Do you think having those in a combination makes Lost Coast washed out and horrible? Games anymore are not just concentrating on the realism of graphics, but are also stepping into boundries that give the graphics a more dramatic effect. This in turn brings some "unrealistic" qualities, but at the cost for some drastically improved experience.

I myself am loving the HDR+AA experience in Oblivion and prefer it MUCH more than regular lighting and all that. Movies for instance have shot entire films with tints overdrawn on lenses or mixed in digitally with the film so as to add certain effects to the film (e.g. the blue tint in the Lord of the Rings). I'm not trying to bash on those who may not like some added features. I'm just saying that the people who are making our games today know what good graphics are, otherwise we wouldn't ever see any graphic improvements. They don't simply introduce a feature that costs the company money to develope just so they can make the game look worse.
 
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dfloyd

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Nope, as I stated I have never seen HDR in a actual game. Thats why I clarified that this was based on what I had seen from screenshots. And you can tell a ton from screenshots, its just hard to tell any decent benefit to HDR from screenshots. Does HDR do anything but make lights alot brighter?

Also if you will notice I stated that I must be wrong as I have read tons of posts and reviews of people swearing by the benefit of HDR. I just claimed that if you look at the screenshots, its a very hard benefit to see whereas many graphics card benefits are very easy to see, even in screenshots.
 
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BenSkywalker

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As for the setup screen, it's probably going to be a another TWIMTBP title that ATi runs faster and better than nVidia, just like numerous other such titles in the past.
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Much like ATi's GITG titles that run significantly faster on nV hardware. It seems that only Valve and id can manage to make their games perform best on the hardware that sponsored them.

Does HDR do anything but make lights alot brighter?
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Yes, it makes them a lot darker too(no joke). HDR significantly expands the dynamic range available to developers. Unfortunately, it seems most devs are using LCDs as they are doing an absolutely horrible job of exploiting the potential contrast that is available utilizing the technology. TR:Legends is no exception. Don't get me wrong- when you start playing a lot of HDR enabled games then you will not want to go back- everything feels flat and lifeless, but devs are relying on hyper bright displays to make dark areas visible instead of using the enormous range available with HDR(it is done right in some titles, such as Oblivion- others it makes certain areas hard to play through at all).
 
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dfloyd

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Actually Ben I have not seen many GITG games, and have never seen the comment that they are out there and run much faster on Nvidia hardware. Can I ask which games you are speaking of just so I know in the future?

And GITG is not good as well, by denoucing one I was not recommending the other. I dislike marketing in most all its forms, especially pointless ones like this that are just created to mislead the unknowing.
 
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BenSkywalker

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Can I ask which games you are speaking of just so I know in the future?
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B&W2 as a high profile title. nVidia was absolutely destroying ATi- very badly- in a GITG title. It was the single game that nV loyalists could point to to show the G7x based parts ripping the R5x0 cores to bits and it was a GITG title.

And GITG is not good as well, by denoucing one I was not recommending the other.
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In reality they are both very good programs. nVidia and ATi are willing to spend their dollars to give help to developers trying to implement the latest features they have in hardware into software in much less time then it has ever taken before. I am a big supporter of both projects- it helps to push real time 3D technology forward. It is due to marketing but I like my games to look as good as they can and TWIMTBP and GITG both help accomplish that goal.
 
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Drayvn

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I thought the B&W2 problem with ATi was the driver. Havent they still not fixed it?

I think all devs at the moment are using HDR rather stupidly as HDR is not just to give everything bloom, in fact even tho its an EA game, NFS:MW actually used HDR (well only a bit of it) quite well as when your going into a tunnel and are just about to exit it the exit of the tunnel gets stunningly bright, which is really the true meaning of HDR.
 
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Originally posted by: Drayvn
I thought the B&W2 problem with ATi was the driver. Havent they still not fixed it?

I think all devs at the moment are using HDR rather stupidly as HDR is not just to give everything bloom, in fact even tho its an EA game, NFS:MW actually used HDR (well only a bit of it) quite well as when your going into a tunnel and are just about to exit it the exit of the tunnel gets stunningly bright, which is really the true meaning of HDR.
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2735 with the version 1.2 patch, ATI takes the lead in B&W2
 
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SynthDude2001

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Originally posted by: SkuLLyRT
When I saw that comparison picture in the installer and then got into the game, I almost thought that maybe they had the screenshots backwards or something..

http://hip.dreamhosters.com/misc/lara1_ngoff.jpg
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Nice! :thumbsup:

What video card do you have and how well does it run with the "next-gen content" on?
 
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