NVIDIA, Epic add DX11 features to Unreal Engine 3

[Lonbjerg]

How about reviews?

So SIMS is a better game than BF:BC2?

Sims: Metacritic 92
BF:BC2: Metacritic 85

Is that your stance?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Never heard of these games before you posted.

Never heard of you before you posted..so what is your point?

 

[wahdangun]

Who do you define "mediocre"?
By sales?
If so, then SIMS are better games than BF:BC2...really?

so if this SIMS implement physix to the game play like BF:BC2 did ??

 

[PingviN]

So SIMS is a better game than BF:BC2?

Sims: Metacritic 92
BF:BC2: Metacritic 85

Is that your stance?

You're joking, right? Read the reviews instead of only looking at the score. You'll see just how ****** the two games you want to put as a PhysX standard is. Read what the reviewers are saying.

The two games you mentioned are crap. They're barely mediocre in the opinion of a multitude of reviewers. If you want to compare Sims and BF: BC2, go ahead, it has nothing to do with the issue at hand anyways.


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[Lonbjerg]

so if this SIMS implement physix to the game play like BF:BC2 did ??

No, read again.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You're joking, right? Read the reviews instead of only looking at the score. You'll see just how shitty the two games you want to put as a PhysX standard is. Read what the reviewers are saying.

The two games you mentioned are crap. They're barely mediocre in the opinion of a multitude of reviewers. If you want to compare Sims and BF: BC2, go ahead, it has nothing to do with the issue at hand anyways.

The reviews of SIMS are quite good, so once again, since you try to avoid giving an answer:

Is SIMS a better game than BF:BC2?

You dug the hole, don't blame me if you donøt like the hole.

I could say that you are a crap poster and have no valid arguments...would the act of me just stating it make it true?


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[Skurge]

Lol at comparing the sims and BC2, they aren't even the same genre. That is pretty daft.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Lol at comparing the sims and BC2, they aren't even the same genre. That is pretty daft.

Not as daft as some of your ramblings in this thread...nes pas?


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[PingviN]

The reviews of SIMS are quite good, so once again, since you try to avoid giving an answer:

Is SIMS a better game than BF:BC2?

You dug the hole, don't blame me if you donøt like the hole.

I could say that you are a crap poster and have no valid arguments...would the act of me just stating it make it true?

It's two different sorts of games. Like comparing pears to apples. I'm sure people who are not into shooters find Sims to be the better game. And the other way around, of course.

Why don't you READ the reviews of Warmonger and Cellfactor instead of trying your very best to embarrass yourself? The games suck, that is the general idea shared by pretty much every single reviewer out there. I'd say that makes them poor games. Stop making an ass of yourself.


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[Lonbjerg]

It's two different sorts of games. Like comparing pears to apples. I'm sure people who are not into shooters find Sims to be the better game. And the other way around, of course.

Why don't you READ the reviews of Warmonger and Cellfactor instead of trying your very best to embarrass yourself? The games suck, that is the general idea shared by pretty much every single reviewer out there. I'd say that makes them poor games. Stop making an ass of yourself.

Shifting the goal poasts fallacy...gotcha.

Why don't you just admit you dislike PhysX because it's an NVIDIA IP and you prefeer AMD?

Or would that be asking too must honesty of you?

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=734103

 

[bcronce]

The issue isn't with it being good or bad, it's for it being locked down to a specific brand.

It could easily be ported to DirectCompute and would work just fine on any brand D3D11 GPU, but they don't. It could easily be threaded to run on multi-core CPUs, but they don't.

nVidia purposefully hamstrings Physx on non-nVidia cards so they can push their brand.

P.S. the forum seems to be a bit messed up "You last visited: 12-31-1969 at 08:00 PM"

 

[PingviN]

Shifting the goal poasts fallacy...gotcha.

Why don't you just admit you dislike PhysX because it's an NVIDIA IP and you prefeer AMD?

Or would that be asking too must honesty of you?

Oh, you keep on avoiding the subject, don't you?

I don't really care about PhysX, not because it's Nvidia's IP but because it's used to little or no extent. The day PhysX actually matter and improves gameplay, I'll reconsider my stance. Untill then, nah, you can have PhysX Lonjberg. I don't really waste my time on such a none-issue.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Oh, you keep on avoiding the subject, don't you?

I don't really care about PhysX, not because it's Nvidia's IP but because it's used to little or no extent. The day PhysX actually matter and improves gameplay, I'll reconsider my stance. Untill then, nah, you can have PhysX Lonjberg. I don't really waste my time on such a none-issue.

You keep posting here? :whiste:


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[Lonbjerg]

Pictures from the video previously posted:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,8...ogie/News/bildergalerie/?iid=1497081&vollbild

Now this is what Cryis 2 should have looked like

 

[taltamir]

So SIMS is a better game than BF:BC2?

Sims: Metacritic 92
BF:BC2: Metacritic 85

Is that your stance?

1. You should compare within a ganre not compare apples and steaks (apples and oranges are actually very similar).
2. Scores are naturally subject to a margin of error, 92 and 85 are both in the "highly recommended" range. Although to be honest reviews can be way off the mark (which supports your hypothesis), but they are not completely worthless.
3. I personally find that both these games suck, but Sims sucks a little less. My brother is a huge fan of both games and plays both a lot and often. I can ask him which he thinks is "better" if you liked. But one person's opinion, even if he is as awesome as I or my family are, does not make something as subjective as a game's quality a fact.
4. The games YOU are promoting are universally considered crappy, and are also unpopular. Units sold matters more then reviews or one persons opinion.
Warmonger is being given out FOR FREE and nobody plays it. Is saying "warmonger sucks" a fact? no it cannot be a fact as it is a purely subjective opinion... is saying "most people consider warmonger to suck"? that isn't a subjective opinion, it is a statement that is either true or false on an absolute manner; I haven't done an in depth study but it appears that most people don't like warmonger.

 

[thilanliyan]

The reviews of SIMS are quite good, so once again, since you try to avoid giving an answer:

Is SIMS a better game than BF:BC2?

Compare Cell Factor (50 at metacritic) and Warmonger (wasn't even rated by any reviewers) to BFBC2. That's a better comparison. Reviews are relative to their respective genres. Did you (or do you) even play any of those two games? I tried both when they first came out but those type of games (online fps) are not really my thing.

If those two are the games you are going to use as an example of the state of PhysX, then PhysX is in a coma on life support. IMO Batman AA (although I personally don't think it's as good a demo for PhysX as some others think), Cryostasis, and Mafia II are better examples of PhysX. Although the effects are not necessarily game changing, I sorta like some of the eye candy. Unless nV pays huge sums to a dev, I doubt we will see game changing PhysX in a AAA title as long as it is only open to nV GPUs.

 

[PingviN]

You keep posting here? :whiste:

I do, not because I care much for PhysX or Unreal Engine 3, but because your arguments are based on less than thin air and I find it amusing to see you try to worm your way out of a discussion you've already lost.

 

[Lonyo]

Pictures from the video previously posted:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,8...ogie/News/bildergalerie/?iid=1497081&vollbild

Now this is what Cryis 2 should have looked like

And it probably could have looked like that... if everyone had GPU power equivalent to 3xGTX580s in their computers.
However we don't. So making it look like that would make it even more unplayable for 99% of people than Crysis was on launch for 90% of people.

 

[taltamir]

And it probably could have looked like that... if everyone had GPU power equivalent to 3xGTX580s in their computers.
However we don't. So making it look like that would make it even more unplayable for 99% of people than Crysis was on launch for 90% of people.

I played crysis on launch... i just had to lower the quality settings so much that it looked worse on my hardware then games optimized for hardware people actually owned.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Here is a game that everyone can run:

Hardware SHOULD be chasing after software...funny that ppeople feel if they can't...nobody must!

Smells a bit "red" too me...

 

[taltamir]

Smells a bit "red" too me...

lol, thats right we are evil commies because we don't think terrible games that nobody likes are the holy grail.

BTW, I love your avatar; IPU FTW.

 

[TransistorsX]

Here is a game that everyone can run:

Hardware SHOULD be chasing after software...funny that ppeople feel if they can't...nobody must!

Smells a bit "red" too me...

I doubt that you can max APEX on that game as the Physics calculations of the ball bouncing the walls are too intensive for even a GTX 595!


Sad troll post by RBM evolucion8...weaksauce at its weakest.

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[Lonyo]

Here is a game that everyone can run:

Hardware SHOULD be chasing after software...funny that ppeople feel if they can't...nobody must!

Smells a bit "red" too me...

Hardware IS chasing software.
They just aren't releasing the software years ahead of when the capable hardware appears, and instead holding it back and/or using it for tech demos instead.

 

[taltamir]

I doubt that you can max APEX on that game as the Physics calculations of the ball bouncing the walls are too intensive for even a GTX 595!

HA! good point... and because "scripted physics" is bad and evil people who do disable APEX will see the ball disappear completely instead of using the good old predictable "scripted physics".

 

[akugami]

I do, not because I care much for PhysX or Unreal Engine 3, but because your arguments are based on less than thin air and I find it amusing to see you try to worm your way out of a discussion you've already lost.

Funny you mention Unreal Engine 3 because with the addition of PhysX I think this gives a real boost to PhysX. Now, assuming it's GPU accelerated that will allow developers to more easily utilize hardware PhysX in games developed using the Unreal Engine 3. At that point I'd have to finally, after all these years, consider PhysX support in any video card I buy as a real point of interest. As it stands today, PhysX is just another bullet point among many on what features a video card supports that I don't do much but give a glance at. So after over three years and millions spent in "developer support" nVidia might finally have bought...errr...supported...the right developer in helping to push PhysX.