Nvidia (?) doing nasty stuff - Important !!!

[Glina]

Every single review on the web containing any RMAA benchmarks of Nforce2 has been modified. IXBT, Firingsquad, Anandtech, Digit-Life, even this forum wont give you any results when searching "Nforce rmaa". And im absolutely positive that ive read about nforce around here.
You wont find ANY nforce benchmark left. Try google. I wonder when will my dissapear.
I just want to point out that this is something i would never expect to see in the present times. Nvidia is trying to hide bad results of Nforce2 implementation. The only review you'll find is a review on 3d sound surge http://www.3dsoundsurge.com/reviews/nForce/nForce-p5.html and is of a Nvidia reference board using Sigmatel codec (every other mobo uses cheap Realtek ALC650).

Regards,

And to moderators - please, dont allow anyone to cheat you. Freedom of speach is the fundamental law of everyone on this planet.

 

[SKORPI0]

Linked

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RightMark Audio Analyzer 5.0

 

[ElFenix]

integrated audio still sounds like crap, who woulda thunk it?

 

[Dug]

I wonder if he thinks his sblive! is any better?

 

[Mitzi]

Originally posted by: Glina
Every single review on the web containing any RMAA benchmarks of Nforce2 has been modified. IXBT, Firingsquad, Anandtech, Digit-Life, even this forum wont give you any results when searching "Nforce rmaa". And im absolutely positive that ive read about nforce around here.
You wont find ANY nforce benchmark left. Try google. I wonder when will my dissapear.
I just want to point out that this is something i would never expect to see in the present times. Nvidia is trying to hide bad results of Nforce2 implementation. The only review you'll find is a review on 3d sound surge http://www.3dsoundsurge.com/reviews/nForce/nForce-p5.html and is of a Nvidia reference board using Sigmatel codec (every other mobo uses cheap Realtek ALC650).

Regards,

And to moderators - please, dont allow anyone to cheat you. Freedom of speach is the fundamental law of everyone on this planet.

Anyone wanna translate that to ENGLISH????

 

[Snoop]

All I have to say is, huh?

 

[EY2K]

he/she's basically saying that the nForce2 audio sucks due to the inferior Realtek codec being used rather than the Sigmatel codec that was used on the Nvidia nForce2 reference board. FWIW, RMAA = RightMark Audio Analyzer.

I myself cannot atest to this, but IMHO, Nvidia will get away with this since most ppl won't care/notice or will use their own soundcard anyway.

 

[Megatomic]

It's not nVidia's fault that the motherboard manufacturers chose the Realtek chip rather than the Sigmatel chip when they designed their products. And FWIW, I really do enjoy the onboard sound of my Epox 8RDA+. I'm no audiophile but I do appreciate good sound quality and my 8RDA+ has been rather good. Mind you, prior to moving to this board I had used a TBSC for 2 years so I am used to good sound.

 

[JZilla]

???. Bump for the herd.

 

[rbV5]

Your Satanic overclock exposes your true intent:Q

 

[First]

Where has AnandTech modified RMAA benchmarks as you claim?

Also, as we've said in the past about nForce2's APU...

Remember that the nForce2 APU only acts as a DSP, final sound quality is still greatly determined by the DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) in the ALC650 AC'97 codec.

Link

 

[holdencommodore]

It is true that the Sigmatel codecs offer higher quality, but the question is, would a average user be able to tell the difference between the Sigmatel codec and the Realtek codec with the majority of "multimedia speakers" that float around? Chances are, that a person with average hearing would only be able to "tell" the difference after RMAA was run.

The motherboard makers know that the majority of users will not use audiophile equipment connected to the nForce, so they really don't need to include a high end codec (even though the cost of going with the Sigmatel would be less then a dollar extra). It would be nice though to see a retail nForce with a high end codec.

Cheers

 

[Wingznut]

Evan, don't squash his/her freedom of speech! :|

TYRANT!!!

 

[Mem]

I agree with Megatomic about it`s down to the motherboard manufacturers not Nvidia since sound quality does vary between nForce boards ,besides surely it`s down to your ears that determine if the sound quality is good or bad on the nForce boards and not any review or audio benchmark test?

 

[Glina]

Hello,
Sorry for my bad english in the first post. I've been writing this in an extreme hurry.
As for Anandtech's review of Nforce ( http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1759&p=1 ) - I can't see any RMAA benchmarks there. Also can't actually remember if they were ever there. If not then please accept my apologies for accousing you.
As for Tomshardware , i am sure of my claims. The results of RMAA have dissapeared in front of my eyes. Also the forum of nforcershq started acting weirdly. Making a search on "nvidia crosstalk" gave the following results.
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15536&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10880&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11488&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10793&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
Ten minutes later - "No topics or posts met your search criteria". Try for yourself (select Search for all terms). I'm sure this is no coincidence.
And as for the Nforce2. I'm perfectly aware that it is only a DSP. Motherboard producers use ALC650 as its actually the cheapest one to get. And no, i'm not using SB Live. It's an old forum account with a very outdated signature. And as for the sound quality - Live IS better.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Glina
Hello,
Sorry for my bad english in the first post. I've been writing this in an extreme hurry.
As for Anandtech's review of Nforce ( http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1759&p=1 ) - I can't see any RMAA benchmarks there. Also can't actually remember if they were ever there. If not then please accept my apologies for accousing you.
As for Tomshardware , i am sure of my claims. The results of RMAA have dissapeared in front of my eyes. Also the forum of nforcershq started acting weirdly. Making a search on "nvidia crosstalk" gave the following results.
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15536&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10880&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11488&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10793&highlight=nforce+crosstalk
Ten minutes later - "No topics or posts met your search criteria". Try for yourself (select Search for all terms). I'm sure this is no coincidence.
And as for the Nforce2. I'm perfectly aware that it is only a DSP. Motherboard producers use ALC650 as its actually the cheapest one to get. And no, i'm not using SB Live. It's an old forum account with a very outdated signature. And as for the sound quality - Live IS better.

thats a mad overclock in your P3 i might add

 

[Glina]

Originally posted by: nick1985

thats a mad overclock in your P3 i might add

It wasn't supposed to be mad.
It actaully did post as 666Mhz CPU and it was not much further overclockable (0.25um Katmai cpu).

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Glina
And as for the sound quality - Live IS better.

Better than what? Not better than nForce2 APU. I moved from TBSC to the APU on the 8RDA+ and I am not disappointed at all. I :heart: my 8RDA+. A lot.

 

[Glina]

Comparing Quality. Not comparing cpu utilisation nor compatibility but I belive live also excels in these areas. That's not a really good point for discussions. There were more revisions of sblive than average person can count. They often differed in quality A LOT. So let's compare Audigy. It sounds same as a good Live (compared) as it uses similiar converters and output stages. Anyhow, none of Creative products are THE choice for a high quality audio. Any Hercules, or other Crystal Semiconductors based audio solution sounds better. You can go even further and go with a Terratec (Envy24 and Wolfson or AKM codec). I've compared many cards on a HQ audio equipment and please belive me that integrated audio is no good. It's just that most of PC audio speaker systems are even worse. Nvidia has made a very good move in promoting their Nforce2 audio solution. I've read hundreds of comments telling how superb they are. That's the magic of good marketing.