"nVidia Denies Plans to Ship Kepler in 2011"

[bryanW1995]

@notty22: Yes, but those cards are extremely high profit/low volume. Profite-wise they are extremely important to nvidia, but compared to the volume of consumer cards from either camp they are a drop in the bucket.

 

[tincart]

AMD has not announced what 28nm parts will be delivered - and judging by their history they tend to release smaller, less powerful chips ahead of high parts. So while it's certain they'll be beat Nvidia to 28nm, it's speculation and only speculation at this point to talk about with what products.

Depends on which way we look at the history. If we're looking at this mainly as the launch of chips on a new process, then the tendency may be to launch a smaller chip first (but that would possibly be a 6xxx refresh).

If we're looking at this as the launch of a new series of chips, then the tendency is to lead with the high-end.

In this case, we have both, so it's hard to judge what the "history" suggests.

 

[SirPauly]

Are you forgetting Nvidia's workstation gpu's? AMD is actually fighting back in this area, but Nvidia still ships over 83% share.
As to actual #'s who is shipping more, when adding mobile,desktop, workstation, I'm not sure. Its estimated over 1/3 of Nvidia worth is from workstation gpu's.
http://www.trefis.com/company?hm=NVDA.trefis#
http://ucvox.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/workstation-graphics-2/

To even add to this; what about Tegra? How many Tegra's has nVidia sold and these are not counted.

It's pretty clear that the two companies spend resources differently for the work-station, GPU processing and soft-ware.

My point was really AMD's graphic division is still very strong with a lot of focus on the APU and discrete. Even though AMD has lost share from mobile discrete the last two quarters, they gained a bit with desktop discrete the last two quarters.

 

[Arkadrel]

To even add to this; what about Tegra? How many Tegra's has nVidia sold and these are not counted.

Revenue wise, I belive its around ~12% of their total.

How much does it make up in actual profits (%wise)? no idea...its probably profitable but not where nvidia procket much of their total profits from.

source:
http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...million-revenue-record-tegra-sales-q1-fy-2012

My point was really AMD's graphic division is still very strong with a lot of focus on the APU and discrete. Even though AMD has lost share from mobile discrete the last two quarters, they gained a bit with desktop discrete the last two quarters.

AMD seems to be doing pretty good with the mobil space, with laptops ect.

Where AMD is getting a serious arse-kicking is in the Workstation GPU space.
Nvidia has lot more professional market share than AMD.

I think thats one of the reasons amd is moveing away from its "4 way VLIW SIMD" build to something new, more akin to Nvidia's fermi. I think AMD is hopeing to take some Marketshare from Nvidia's Professional line of GPU sales.

 

[stahlhart]

Whatever. Today's cards provide more than enough horsepower anyways.

+1. I don't see the point until another Crysis occurs.

 

[SirPauly]

Revenue wise, I belive its around ~12% of their total.

How much does it make up in actual profits (%wise)? no idea...its probably profitable but not where nvidia procket much of their total profits from.

source:
http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...million-revenue-record-tegra-sales-q1-fy-2012

AMD seems to be doing pretty good with the mobil space, with laptops ect.

Where AMD is getting a serious arse-kicking is in the Workstation GPU space.
Nvidia has lot more professional market share than AMD.

I think thats one of the reasons amd is moveing away from its "4 way VLIW SIMD" build to something new, more akin to Nvidia's fermi. I think AMD is hopeing to take some Marketshare from Nvidia's Professional line of GPU sales.

nVidia has more share with mobile discrete now and did go from 38 percent share to nearly 51 percent in the last two quarters.

 

[Grooveriding]

+1. I don't see the point until another Crysis occurs.

I agree this is true for people running 1920x1200 and below. They don't need to upgrade, they might want to though

Myself I don't need to, there is nothing I can't throw at my current setup that it won't run for my resolution. But I will grab 3 of the new AMD cards to get less noise and more performance, which may just push me to get two more monitors

What people should be excited for is with GPUs now so far beyond what is demanded in current games, the new mid-range cards are going to give you GTX 580 performance for likely $250.

Whether AMD gets out their halo cards, their mid range or both this year, it will be awesome for buyers.

Their best bet is probably to release their mid-range. The pricing on it vs performance will have people gobbling them up. My fingers are crossed for the 7970s though.

 

[stahlhart]

What people should be excited for is with GPUs now so far beyond what is demanded in current games, the new mid-range cards are going to give you GTX 580 performance for likely $250.

This is exactly what I'm hoping for.

 

[Arkadrel]

What people should be excited for is with GPUs now so far beyond what is demanded in current games, the new mid-range cards are going to give you GTX 580 performance for likely $250.

Crossfire 2x 6850's and you can already get 580 performance or better, for around 250$. However I realise you probably mean by a single card.

Im guessing after 7xxx series is out, 580 performance will be less than 250$.
Nvidia are gonna have to make price cuts on their 580's from 440$--> ~250$.

So now is a really bad time to buy a 580... wait a month or so, if you want to buy a 580 cheaper.


The 6870 goes for around 160$ on newegg.
Im pretty sure the 7870 will be in the same space as a ~200$ part.

Im also pretty sure, it ll be faster than a 580, and use much less power, thanks to 28nm tech.
Im kinda expecting that the jump from 40nm->28nm results in ~50% jump in performance.

 

[ch33kym0use]

I wouldn't mind it taking more time to polish it up so that it is reliable and fast.

 

[ieatdonuts]

I agree. Mid-range cards offering 580 performance would be great.

Secondly, we may also see IGPs and mobile devices improve as well.

That's why you should care. Not everyone is like the people on this board - who can afford to shell out 600 bucks for a top end card or two cards in sli/xfire.

 

[darkswordsman17]

As long as its good, don't care when its released.

Personally, I actually would love to see 560Ti/6870OC/69501GB performance in a compact size (cool running and low power requirements, small card size too), for $100. Something they can stick in their Dell/HP/etc and not have any issues. I think that would be a big boon for PC gaming.

 

[SirPauly]

I agree. Mid-range cards offering 580 performance would be great.

Secondly, we may also see IGPs and mobile devices improve as well.

That's why you should care. Not everyone is like the people on this board - who can afford to shell out 600 bucks for a top end card or two cards in sli/xfire.

I hear ya but there has been great value for 100 dollars and up for many, many years. It's really nothing new. Did anyone really get too excited when the 6870 offered near 5870 performance for a cheaper price-point? Sure, it was a nice value choice and still very important but it's a combination of trying to improve margins for a company and still bring value to the customer, imho.

What is new is the innovation with the new generations and usually this is represented by their higher-end chips. It's the innovation from performance, efficiency, feature sets that I believe is much more exciting.

 

[RussianSensation]

I agree. Mid-range cards offering 580 performance would be great.

We practically already got that:

1) $230-250 HD6950 2GB cards which unlock into a 6970 are within 15% of the GTX580

2) I have seen GTX570s dip into $260-270 range already.

I hope GTX660 is faster than the GTX580 (I am still nostalgic of 6600GT vs. 5950 Ultra days).

 

[ieatdonuts]

Hell - 200 still ain't cheap!

 

[bryanW1995]

Revenue wise, I belive its around ~12% of their total.

How much does it make up in actual profits (%wise)? no idea...its probably profitable but not where nvidia procket much of their total profits from.

source:
http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...million-revenue-record-tegra-sales-q1-fy-2012

AMD seems to be doing pretty good with the mobil space, with laptops ect.

Where AMD is getting a serious arse-kicking is in the Workstation GPU space.
Nvidia has lot more professional market share than AMD.

I think thats one of the reasons amd is moveing away from its "4 way VLIW SIMD" build to something new, more akin to Nvidia's fermi. I think AMD is hopeing to take some Marketshare from Nvidia's Professional line of GPU sales.

Isn't part of NV's workstation dominance due to much better drivers/support? NV has poured lots of resources into this market over the years, while AMD appears to just be starting to get serious about it. This market has enough potential that AMD should push hard into over the next couple of years, and it's even better in that their only potential rival is Nvidia (not intel).