Nvidia considers porting PhysX to OpenCL

[SirPaulie]

A bit off-topic:

nVidia considering Porting PhysX to OpenCL: certainly may drum up some additional conversation.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/h...ting-physx-to-opencl/1


edit:

Sorry Zogrim!

 

[Zogrim]

ouch.. news already posted above))

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: SirPaulie
A bit off-topic:

nVidia considering Porting PhysX to OpenCL: certainly may drum up some additional conversation.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/h...ting-physx-to-opencl/1


edit:

Sorry Zogrim!

Very interesting read and good news for sure! And no I'm not Nadeem nor do I know him personally.

Also @ Zogrim, do you maintain that list? I've seen it before, just wondered who sourced the info there as its very comprehensive. Just trying to determine its reliability/validity.

 

[AmberClad]

I'm moving all discussion about the article in question from the Havok GPU thread into this.

The three posts immediately following were moved from the other thread (timestamps will reflect the time they were moved, not the original post time).

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[SirPaulie]

Thought it was a good read as well and good timing considering how hot this topic is for some.

 

[Munky]

Seems like a logical choice if NV really wanted GPU-PhysX to become a viable industry standard.

 

[Soulkeeper]

very nice, this could be something to move opencl to market a little faster

 

[thilanliyan]

So does this mean it'll run on ATI cards as well through OpenCL?

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: thilan29
So does this mean it'll run on ATI cards as well through OpenCL?

If they port PhysX in it's entirety to OpenCL as a middleware layer, then there's no reason it won't run on anything that supports OpenCL. At that point, PhysX no longer is a "driver".

 

[Zogrim]

I personally would prefer PhysX with DX11 compute shaders, to create healthy bipolar competition between GPGPU standarts)

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Zogrim, do you maintain that list?

Yep) for more then 2 years, already)

I've seen it before, just wondered who sourced the info there as its very comprehensive

Info from all over the web) I'm tracking games by reviews, interviews, blogs, game engines, demos and PhysX drivers installations (for PC), cover and credit screens (for consoles), etc.. also, I have some sources in Nvidia PhysX team)

Just trying to determine its reliability/validity.

Well, if you found a mistake with any title, you can always mail me)

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Zogrim
I personally would prefer PhysX with DX11 compute shaders, to create healthy bipolar competition between GPGPU standarts)

--- off-topic ---

Zogrim, do you maintain that list?

Yep) for more then 2 years, already)

I've seen it before, just wondered who sourced the info there as its very comprehensive

Info from all over the web) I'm tracking games by reviews, interviews, blogs, game engines, demos and PhysX drivers installations (for PC), cover and credit screens (for consoles), etc.. also, I have some sources in Nvidia PhysX team)

Just trying to determine its reliability/validity.

Well, if you found a mistake with any title, you can always mail me)

Ah, that makes sense, awesome job btw! I was just wondering because some of the games had very little info published, so knowing some in-house devs makes sense there.

Perhaps one small suggestion, an estimate release date for the in-development titles. I know that info is much less accurate, but any estimates would be useful imo.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
very nice, this could be something to move opencl to market a little faster

Your kidding right. Open cl on graphics will be ready with ATi when DX11 is released. Not everthing but alot . CL is huge and its a move NV had to make. Ya 6 months its going to be a whole new beginning. Intel is heavey on CL and GL ya don;t need NV pyhisics to speed up CL/GL useage threw the GPU and cpu. All three companies and many more are working feverishly to be ready. The Dawn of a new era CL on dx.

Dx is almost ancient history after DX11. As intel doesn't need DX at all. So I would assume ATI nv will try to do the same. Maybe not ATI but NV ya they will leave DX.

 

[SirPaulie]

What I never did understand is why some had trouble believing that nVidia strongly is behind open standards considering Neil Trevett is the President of Khronos Group:

http://www.khronos.org/

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
very nice, this could be something to move opencl to market a little faster

Your kidding right. Open cl on graphics will be ready with ATi when DX11 is released. Not everthing but alot . CL is huge and its a move NV had to make. Ya 6 months its going to be a whole new beginning. Intel is heavey on CL and GL ya don;t need NV pyhisics to speed up CL/GL useage threw the GPU and cpu. All three companies and many more are working feverishly to be ready. The Dawn of a new era CL on dx.

Dx is almost ancient history after DX11. As intel doesn't need DX at all. So I would assume ATI nv will try to do the same. Maybe not ATI but NV ya they will leave DX.

what ?
make sense next time you quote me.

 

[Soulkeeper]

OpenCL as it stands right now is nothing more than a specification, a few experimental headers with some experimental C++ bindings.
To advance the penetration of opencl to market. IE: creating API's there needs to be some action at these "lower levels". I quote lower level because OpenCL is high level in relation to cuda/brooke+
before porting something to opencl is possible there would have to be a drive for that "action" before anything could be ported.
Considering that an nvidia employee is the president of the khronos group, which oversee's OpenCL, nvidia pushing the ball on this matter would do a lot toward advancing everything for everyone.
DX isn't necesarry in this equation, as it's just one of many possible API's and not crossplatform or an open standard.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SirPaulie
What I never did understand is why some had trouble believing that nVidia strongly is behind open standards considering Neil Trevett is the President of Khronos Group:

http://www.khronos.org/

Well the khronos group took care of GL so it was natural move khronos . With CL. What a nv vp on khronos board got to do with anything. NV had zero more influence than any of the other 100 members who worked on a open standard.

This is just silly. Now that NV says they may port PX to CL . NV invented CL lol. When this is all over . Who wants to take bets on who benefits the most from upon CL. I say it will be Apple /Intel.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
very nice, this could be something to move opencl to market a little faster

Your kidding right. Open cl on graphics will be ready with ATi when DX11 is released. Not everthing but alot . CL is huge and its a move NV had to make. Ya 6 months its going to be a whole new beginning. Intel is heavey on CL and GL ya don;t need NV pyhisics to speed up CL/GL useage threw the GPU and cpu. All three companies and many more are working feverishly to be ready. The Dawn of a new era CL on dx.

Dx is almost ancient history after DX11. As intel doesn't need DX at all. So I would assume ATI nv will try to do the same. Maybe not ATI but NV ya they will leave DX.

what ?
make sense next time you quote me.

Why do I have to make sense. Here is good common sense. NV announces it MAY port PX to CL . Now all of the sudden NV is going to spur on CL development and save the industry.

Last week CL meant nothing to the NV folks . Would you like links. I will get them . Saying I make no sense when your grabbing at straws is crude dude. It was Apple that pushed CL threw Apple. Being The head of a board means jack shit in this instance.
Apple is releasing CL on snow os. Lets see how fast NV has things running on CL. I bet you money Apple and Intel will be ready.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Again you make no sense, stop arguing with people on the forums over any little thing.

are you trying for 3000 posts and can't think of another way besides stupid misinformed quotes trying to rebunk everything anyone says ?

My only point was porting anything to opencl is good for the state of opencl
and you attack this statement ?

dunno what the hell you're trying to talk about.
you sound like a noob that thinks opencl is a feature of DX11 and MS is your bed lover

Get a life

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: SirPaulie
What I never did understand is why some had trouble believing that nVidia strongly is behind open standards considering Neil Trevett is the President of Khronos Group:

http://www.khronos.org/

Well the khronos group took care of GL so it was natural move khronos . With CL. What a nv vp on khronos board got to do with anything. NV had zero more influence than any of the other 100 members who worked on a open standard.

This is just silly. Now that NV says they may port PX to CL . NV invented CL lol. When this is all over . Who wants to take bets on who benefits the most from upon CL. I say it will be Apple /Intel.

It's an amazing gift you have!

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1 Now all of the sudden NV is going to spur on CL development and save the industry.

No, actually, all it was-was an article to let others know that they're contemplating porting PhysX to OpenCL. That's all it was. No, spurring about CL development all of sudden or trying to save the industry. Not Jen-Hsun Huang wearing nVidia green tights and waving cape with his new found Hero PhysX powers to save the industry.

It was just nVidia considering porting PhysX to OpenCL.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SirPaulie

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1 Now all of the sudden NV is going to spur on CL development and save the industry.

No, actually, all it was-was an article to let others know that they're contemplating porting PhysX to OpenCL. That's all it was. No, spurring about CL development all of sudden or trying to save the industry. Not Jen-Hsun Huang wearing nVidia green tights and waving cape with his new found Hero PhysX powers to save the industry.

It was just nVidia considering porting PhysX to OpenCL.

Thank you I understand this. but many in this topic are raising NV to level of going to apple with an idea . That apple should work on a new standard which ended up being OPEN CL ./ I think there is trueth to the story . But It wasn't NV that approached Apple . It was intel and its master of the universe plan to finely get the upper hand on skeltor. and cutt him down to size. I think intel went to apple with a plane . I think when Sandy is released were all going to have hind sight.

Lets talk about the Apple NV deal . When this was announced a fell out of my chair truely . This made zero sense. WHY? Because of the Dam timing . Think about it.
Just befor Apple wants to bring a new standard in . Now called open CL. NV knowing that they can work within open cl says ya we want . LOL . NV has to be run by a moron.

Heres what Apple offered NV . A short run . NV can't do 17 chipsets. intel is soon releaseing 32nm. I5 with the gpu and cpu sharing same die . Now NV is counter sueing Intel lol. Why Because intel has balls enough to try to protect its properity.

Na trueth is everone is pissed but intel and Apple Intel and Apple have Apples CL and were able to leverage MS to use with DX11. Because NV and ATI need open CL. LOL

I can;t help but lol. I am sorry . But I would have loved to seen the faces in board rooms . When Intel announced that Sandy ports X86 to AVX. LOL. Intel bitch slapped everone who conspired against them . Apple also gets sweet revenge. Also this is because of apples CL .

 

[Nemesis 1]

It isn't Intel really that cl is important to it was Apple that needed. Without CL apple had know way of running DX games on native . Now the DX11 has CL . Apple will be on a level playing field with MS when sandy bridge is released fact is Apple /Intel may be way ahead of everone .

Read comprehend.

Written by Arnold Kim

Intel has started releasing some details about their upcoming GPU project code named Larrabee. New graphics cards based on this technology will compete with NVidia and ATI video cards that currently dominate the market. Larrabee appears to be a hybrid design between existing CPUs and GPUs, according to Extremetech:
Each of these Larrabee cores is quite distinct from the execution "cores" in many current graphics processors. It's not the x86 instruction set that makes it special (though that is certainly unique as well). Rather, it is the support for full context switching and preemptive multitasking, virtual memory and page swapping, and full cache coherency. These are features developers have come to expect in modern x86 CPUs, but don't yet exist in modern GPUs.

The advantage of such a design is said to be improved scalability as additional processor cores are added. Intel claims an almost linear improvement in gaming performance as the number of processor scores increase:




Intel also explains that existing programming APIs such as DirectX and Open CL can be used so existing games should be able to take advantage of Larrabee. While Apple has made no announcements surrounding the adoption of Larrabee, Arstechnica's Jon Stokes claims that Apple will be adopting it:
And I've heard from a source that I trust that Apple will use Larrabee; this makes sense, because Larrabee, as a many-core x86 multiprocessor, can be exploited directly by GrandCentral's cooperative multitasking capabilities.

Intel is quick to point out that describing Larrabee as just a GPU is misleading, in that they expect Larrabee multi-core processors could be used in a number of applications outside of gaming.

Larrabee is expected to be released in 2009-2010 and will be initially targeted at "the personal computer market". Apple should be well equiped to leverage this technology with the introduction of Snow Leopard sometime in 2009. Snow Leopard will incorporate tools such as Grand Central and Open CL to harness both multi-core and GPU processors.

 

[Soulkeeper]

you do realize that sane people don't read your posts when they are 400 words like that right ?

you get relegated to the "mentally unstable ranter" category

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
you do realize that sane people don't read your posts when they are 400 words like that right ?

you get relegated to the "mentally unstable ranter" category

Well soulkeeper . Than my mental state is in harmony with my physical state. Are you saying Harmony is a bad thing?

 

[Pelu]

I dotn really care about this company and technology politics... the only thing that matters is that ATI cards can run physx thats it!!!!

Anyone know if there is a way right now .. right here.. to run some physx on one of my radeons...