Nvidia claims top spot in graphics chips market

[nemesismk2]

Nvidia claims top spot in graphics chips market

"In the desktop standalone segment, where Nvidia dominates, the company lost one percentage point to 64 per cent while ATI gained two points to 28 per cent."

I thought ATI would of caught up with Nvidia far more than they have, a 28% share of the market isn't very good is it compared to Nvidia's 64%?

 

[gameboyzz]

Must be Nvidia's MX line and Ti 4200 users. So many people have these cards its crazy.

But we all know who's the real king. ATI OWNS!!!!

 

[bgeh]

if ATi can keep it up, then nVIDIA will slowly but surely lose more and more marketshare

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: bgeh
if ATi can keep it up, then nVIDIA will slowly but surely lose more and more marketshare

You mean if ATI can keep from going bankrupt because their mainstream video cards are too expensive compared to mainstream Nvidia video cards. (Atleast as far as the UK market is concerned!)

 

[chizow]

In the desktop standalone segment, where Nvidia dominates, the company lost one percentage point to 64 per cent while ATI gained two points to 28 per cent.

Joe Osha, an analyst at Merrill Lynch & Co., said in a report Monday that since ATI has had an advantage with its newer graphics chips, "we were surprised to see that the company has not gained more share from Nvidia."

Looks like some of you need to stop talking about ATi products and actually start buying them.

Chiz

 

[Mem]

Must be Nvidia's MX line and Ti 4200 users. So many people have these cards its crazy.

But we all know who's the real king. ATI OWNS!!!!

Actually there`re more gamers especially online with Nvidia cards then ATI cards, just go online to any server ,bottom line is Nvidia has the bigger portion of the gaming market,this is fact.

 

[chsh1ca]

Nvidia got and maintained such a large market share because they opted to sell chipsets instead of cards. Remember how 3dfx had a large market share and then became the manufacturer and ended up going out of business? The advantage ATI has is that they've ALWAYS been a chipset manufacturer in addition to anything they've done on the gaming front (not much 'til recently). I think as you see more companies come on board with ATI cards, you'll start seeing ATI's market share grow. VisionTek is just the first, and eventually I can see the name Sapphire becoming just as popular as the name Gainward.

I would bet that the Radeon line of cards accounts for maybe 5% (Wild guess) of their total annual sales. The real money is in the chipset biz for both mobile and onboard chipsets.

 

[selfbuilt]

I presume the Mercury report mentioned in the article was looking at sales for the last quarter? Obviously Nvidia's dominance in the exisiting market of current users will be maintained for quite some time to come, so that really isn't the issue. But in this context, I presume market share means sales of currently shipping cards/chips over the first 3 months of this year.

Althought the numbers seem a bit surprising, one obvious question is how they calculated market share. If you look simply at volume, then all the GF2MX and GF4MX currently being sold will still make up the bulk of current sales. So even if ATI were out-selling Nvidia at the high end, don't expect to see much of an overall percentage improvement (i.e. it's lost in the noise of the low-end sales drowing it out on a volume basis). I'm not trying to apologize for ATI, but my point is its really hard to know much from that little snippet reported in the article ... you would need to see the full data of what was calculated, and how.

Ultimately, the risk to Nvidia is really losing "mind-share" to ATI, and the trickle down effect that will have across the board over time. For the ATI, the issue is whether or not they can really compete at the low end, both on price and performance.

Simply put, both companies have risks and challenges going forward. And a little healthy competition is good for the consumer. Let the games continue ....

 

[CurtCold]

Originally posted by: chizow

In the desktop standalone segment, where Nvidia dominates, the company lost one percentage point to 64 per cent while ATI gained two points to 28 per cent.

Joe Osha, an analyst at Merrill Lynch & Co., said in a report Monday that since ATI has had an advantage with its newer graphics chips, "we were surprised to see that the company has not gained more share from Nvidia."

Looks like some of you need to stop talking about ATi products and actually start buying them.

Chiz

Just bought my 9500pro about a month ago, 8500 about 6 months before that....lol

ATI or Nvidia who cares? Just want the best bang for my buck.

 

[aircooled]

Originally posted by: CurtCold

Originally posted by: chizow

In the desktop standalone segment, where Nvidia dominates, the company lost one percentage point to 64 per cent while ATI gained two points to 28 per cent.

Joe Osha, an analyst at Merrill Lynch & Co., said in a report Monday that since ATI has had an advantage with its newer graphics chips, "we were surprised to see that the company has not gained more share from Nvidia."

Looks like some of you need to stop talking about ATi products and actually start buying them.

Chiz

Just bought my 9500pro about a month ago, 8500 about 6 months before that....lol

ATI or Nvidia who cares? Just want the best bang for my buck.

Yep. It's the "AMD vs. Intel" of video cards. I remember in the Ati Rage days promising myself I'd never buy another Ati card, but here I am with a 9700pro installed...lol

 

[Kev]

The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia.

 

[T9D]

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[nRollo]

"The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia. "

That IS a terrible problem!
1. SARs
2. terrorism
3. people won't believe ATI makes the fastest card
4. AIDs
5. drug abuse

As you can see, it's way up there in things we have to worry about.

 

[Lonyo]

AMD offers the best bang for the buck at the lower end, people still buy Intel because they're the "better" brand.
People don't go for ATi because they're like AMD is in processors, despite the aforementioned companies offering highly competetive products. It's just nVidia have been the king for a while before now and the reputation has yet to slip much.

And whoever wanted good ATi prices in the UK: komplett (they're fairly good, not the equivelant of the $299 for 9700PRO that you get in the US though)

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia. "

That IS a terrible problem!
1. SARs
2. terrorism
3. people won't believe ATI makes the fastest card
4. AIDs
5. drug abuse

As you can see, it's way up there in things we have to worry about.

hehe

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia. "

That IS a terrible problem!
1. SARs
2. terrorism
3. people won't believe ATI makes the fastest card
4. AIDs
5. drug abuse

As you can see, it's way up there in things we have to worry about.

right, because i compared it to sars and terrorism in my post, didn't i? why don't you overreact some more?

 

[Intelman07]

It really is just like intel vs amd as others pointed out. Seems like lots of people are running AMD but yet they are loosing alot of money. ATI is the top now last year they lost money....its all crazy.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

nVidia is an effective company, they flooded the market and pushed their budget chips into systems everywhere, it amazes me to see on occasion the new systems that still "boast" about the TNT/TNT2 power graphics they have, now being pretty much replaced by the GeForce 2 MX of which that is now being taken over by the GeForce 4 MX. Ti 4200 has little to do with anything, its still a high end card that doesn't sell like the MX hotcakes, consumers are largely uneducated and dont mind "getting by" on their GF MX performance, they don't expect anything more, if they did they'd get a 4600, 9700 or better.

For us educated computer enthusiasts, we are an obviously biased population and most of us will have the Ti 4200s and 8500/9000s of the video card market giving the illusion that nVidia is selling mostly 4200s but the money truly is in the budget market. But to gain dominance in the budget market you really need to gain a dominance in the enthusiast. People by GF MX cards not because they know they are fast (they aren't) but because they have nVidia written all over it and they know nVidia makes fast cards (even if the fast cards they make don't include the ones they just bought, they don't know that).

Oh and btw, nVidia can't claim the top spot, they've always had it for a long time. Starting to see a lot of budget and high end ATI cards in stores, however. ATI's establishment of domination in the high end for the past few months has certainly gained them favorable reputation. All they need to do is exploit that in the lower segments of the market, get people to buy the name that produced the mighty 9700/9800...

 

[Rogozhin]

Rollo

"The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia. "

That IS a terrible problem!
1. SARs
2. terrorism
3. people won't believe ATI makes the fastest card
4. AIDs
5. drug abuse

As you can see, it's way up there in things we have to worry about"


If you don't care about video cards then why post such diatribes in these forums?

Rogo

 

[Genx87]

Nvidia got and maintained such a large market share because they opted to sell chipsets instead of cards. Remember how 3dfx had a large market share and then became the manufacturer and ended up going out of business?

Totally different scenarios. 3dfx was in no position like Nvidia is today. 3dfx did not have the fastest chipset for a platform(Nforce2). They did not have a high end OpenGL card that blows the doors off the competition (Quadro4, QuadroFX) I included the Quadro4 because the R300 based ATI FireGL cant even beat the year old Quadro4. And Nvidia is not taking over sole control of making the video cards themselves.


The advantage ATI has is that they've ALWAYS been a chipset manufacturer in addition to anything they've done on the gaming front (not much 'til recently). I think as you see more companies come on board with ATI cards, you'll start seeing ATI's market share grow. VisionTek is just the first, and eventually I can see the name Sapphire becoming just as popular as the name Gainward.

Visiontek??? Didnt ATi buy out Visiontek? Last I heard about Visiontek a bunch of their excutives were about to be thrown in jail for insider trading and fraud.

I would bet that the Radeon line of cards accounts for maybe 5% (Wild guess) of their total annual sales. The real money is in the chipset biz for both mobile and onboard chipsets.

Based on what? What chipsets does ATi make outside of GPUs????? They dont have a desktop chipset like the Nforce so what exactly is the other 95% of the revenues made up of?????

 

[Blastman]

Althought the numbers seem a bit surprising, one obvious question is how they calculated market share. If you look simply at volume, then all the GF2MX and GF4MX currently being sold will still make up the bulk of current sales.

Good point. We don?t know if market share was calculated by # cards sold or by $ worth of cards. Also, OEM contract sales from a company like dell could be a huge factor here too ? an area where NV has been doing very well. I suspect things will get worse for NV this year because their new FX line has not exactly been warmly received.

 

[merlocka]

Originally posted by: Rogozhin
Rollo

"The problem is that most people who don't follow this stuff closely still think nvidia is top of the line. Back before the GeForce FX was released I tried telling my roomate that ATI made the current fastest card, but he didn't believe me because it wasn't nvidia. "

That IS a terrible problem!
1. SARs
2. terrorism
3. people won't believe ATI makes the fastest card
4. AIDs
5. drug abuse

As you can see, it's way up there in things we have to worry about"


If you don't care about video cards then why post such diatribes in these forums?

Rogo

1) use the quote button
2) take a deep breath

 

[sodcha0s]

What about the OEM market? (desktop/laptop integrated) That's where the biggest chunk of marketshare comes from, and Nvidia owns that.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Althought the numbers seem a bit surprising, one obvious question is how they calculated market share. If you look simply at volume, then all the GF2MX and GF4MX currently being sold will still make up the bulk of current sales.

Good point. We don?t know if market share was calculated by # cards sold or by $ worth of cards. Also, OEM contract sales from a company like dell could be a huge factor here too ? an area where NV has been doing very well. I suspect things will get worse for NV this year because their new FX line has not exactly been warmly received.

#

Ok so the media mightn't like the FX line but customers DO. I'm currently selling 15 128mb XFX FX5200's for every ATI video card I sell (I mostly sell budget video cards and the ATI cards I sell are the r9000, r9000pro and 9100). The FX5200's main selling point being DX9 is really doing the business. As a supplier I wish Nvidia would release a cheap FX5200 MX (<£50) version, I could then sell even more FX5200's.

 

[Jeff7181]

If nVidia keeps making products like the GeForce FX 5200 Ultra... they're going to loose a lot of their market. What a piece of junk... the only way it keeps up with a Ti4200 is if you crank up the AA and AF... I feel sorry for anyone who bought into the "GeForce FX hype" a 128 MB Ti4200 would have been a far better buy in my opinion.