After the disaster that 5800 series was, there were thoughts about Nvidia taking the 3dfx route, but Nvidia was not standing idle. In the most important price segment (below 100$) unfortunately for ATI the war is already over. Nvidia will launch 2 DX9 based models below 100$:
Geforce FX 5200 128MB version 99$
Geforce FX 5200 64MB? version 79$
ATI on the other hand will be forced to compete with DX8.1 based products in this price segment, more specifically Radeon 9200 (non pro) 128mb and 64mb versions)
Geforce FX5200 ultra unfortunately at 149$ will be obsolete by the same priced ATI radeon 5600 (non pro).Some more technical details about the upcoming ATI & Nvidia products and their differences with previous models:
1)Geforce 5600 ultra 80 million transistors (Geforce 5800 ultra 125 million transistors )
2)Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz core)
3)Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz DDR memory (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz DDRII memory)
4)Geforce 5600 ultra 2 vetrex processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 3 vetrex processing units )
5)Geforce 5600 ultra 2 pixel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 4 pixel processing units )
6)Geforce 5600 ultra 4 texel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 8 texel processing units )
1)Geforce 5200 ultra 0.15 micron (Geforce 5800 ultra 0.13 micron )
2)Geforce 5200 ultra 45 million transistors (Geforce 5800 ultra 125 million transistors )
3)Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz core (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz core)
4)Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz DDR memory (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz DDRII memory)
5)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 vetrex processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 3 vetrex processing units )
6)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 pixel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 4 pixel processing units )
7)Geforce 5200 ultra 4 texel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 8 texel processing units )
8)Geforce 5200 ultra no intellisample* optimization (Geforce 5800 ultra intellisample* optimization)
8)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 350Mhz RAMDACs (Geforce 5800 ultra 2 400Mhz RAMDACs )
*lack of intellisample optimization is very important since there will be no 4:1 realtime lossless compression, no optimized z compression, no advanced antialliasing alogorithms/filters, no dynamic color correction and many other things that will slow performance.
Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core/350Mhz DDRI memory 256MB 249$?
Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core/350Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 199$
Geforce 5600 300Mhz (speculation) core/300Mhz (speculation) DDRI memory 128MB 179$?
Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz core/325Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 149$
Geforce 5200 ultra 275Mhz ? core/200Mhz ? DDRI 128MB memory 99$
Geforce 5200 ultra 275Mhz ? core/200Mhz ? DDRI 64MB? memory 79$
Now to ATI camp:
1)Radeon 9600 pro 0.13 micron (Radeon 9800 pro 0.15 micron)
2)Radeon 9600 pro 400Mhz core (Radeon 9800 pro 380Mhz core)
3)Radeon 9600 pro 300Mhz DDRI memory (Radeon 9800 pro 340Mhz DDRI memory )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 4 pixel processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 8 pixel processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 4 texel processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 8 texel processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 2 vertex processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 4 vertex processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro hyper-ZIII* engine (Radeon 9800 pro superior hyper-ZIII+* engine)
4)Radeon 9600 pro no F-buffer optimization (Radeon 9600 pro no F-buffer optimization )
*I suspect Anand made a mistake reffering that 9600pro has a superior Hyper-Z engine in relation with R350.The Z-compression on R350 is 24:1 and on the R300 & RV350 is 8:1.The compression ratio of 6:1 that he is mentioning is not on Z-compression but color compression. Also some sites reffering that RV350 will have also the improvements in the hyper-Z engine that R350 has.
About Radeon 9200 most technology sites reffering that it will be exactly the same as 9000 but possibly higher clocked.I think this is correct but other technology sites (SimHQ) reffering that will be: ?DirectX 9.0 compatible with DirectX 8.1 shader level support?,this implies that with exception to pixel &vertex shaders (there is nothing else left) will be DX9 based, also Tom?s hardware mentions Hyper-ZIII but I found many mistakes in his article (also in every Lars article I read).My guess also is that it will be an overclocked 9000.
Radeon 9600 pro 400Mhz core/300Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 199-169$
Radeon 9600 325Mhz core/200Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 169-149$
Radeon 9200 pro 325Mhz ? core/300Mhz ? DDRI memory 128MB 129$?
Radeon 9600 275Mhz ?core/200Mhz ? DDRI memory 128MB 99$?
Radeon 9600 275Mhz ?core/200Mhz ? DDRI memory 64MB 79$?
I think Radeon 9600pro will be faster than the equivalent Nvidia (Geforce FX 5600 ultra) at least 15%.
But Nvidia will have the best product under 100$ and possible the faster (Geforce FX 5200 should be around 10% faster than Radeon 9200 but FX will be DX9 compatible).
Some sites posts preliminary 3Dmark 2003 scores of FX5600 & Fx5200 suggesting vast differencies that lead to speculation that FX5200 will have 1 vertex processing unit instead of 2 (5600) and 3 (5800)
In any case all will be clear in the next few weeks.
Geforce FX 5200 128MB version 99$
Geforce FX 5200 64MB? version 79$
ATI on the other hand will be forced to compete with DX8.1 based products in this price segment, more specifically Radeon 9200 (non pro) 128mb and 64mb versions)
Geforce FX5200 ultra unfortunately at 149$ will be obsolete by the same priced ATI radeon 5600 (non pro).Some more technical details about the upcoming ATI & Nvidia products and their differences with previous models:
1)Geforce 5600 ultra 80 million transistors (Geforce 5800 ultra 125 million transistors )
2)Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz core)
3)Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz DDR memory (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz DDRII memory)
4)Geforce 5600 ultra 2 vetrex processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 3 vetrex processing units )
5)Geforce 5600 ultra 2 pixel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 4 pixel processing units )
6)Geforce 5600 ultra 4 texel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 8 texel processing units )
1)Geforce 5200 ultra 0.15 micron (Geforce 5800 ultra 0.13 micron )
2)Geforce 5200 ultra 45 million transistors (Geforce 5800 ultra 125 million transistors )
3)Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz core (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz core)
4)Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz DDR memory (Geforce 5800 ultra 500Mhz DDRII memory)
5)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 vetrex processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 3 vetrex processing units )
6)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 pixel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 4 pixel processing units )
7)Geforce 5200 ultra 4 texel processing units (Geforce 5800 ultra 8 texel processing units )
8)Geforce 5200 ultra no intellisample* optimization (Geforce 5800 ultra intellisample* optimization)
8)Geforce 5200 ultra 2 350Mhz RAMDACs (Geforce 5800 ultra 2 400Mhz RAMDACs )
*lack of intellisample optimization is very important since there will be no 4:1 realtime lossless compression, no optimized z compression, no advanced antialliasing alogorithms/filters, no dynamic color correction and many other things that will slow performance.
Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core/350Mhz DDRI memory 256MB 249$?
Geforce 5600 ultra 350Mhz core/350Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 199$
Geforce 5600 300Mhz (speculation) core/300Mhz (speculation) DDRI memory 128MB 179$?
Geforce 5200 ultra 325Mhz core/325Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 149$
Geforce 5200 ultra 275Mhz ? core/200Mhz ? DDRI 128MB memory 99$
Geforce 5200 ultra 275Mhz ? core/200Mhz ? DDRI 64MB? memory 79$
Now to ATI camp:
1)Radeon 9600 pro 0.13 micron (Radeon 9800 pro 0.15 micron)
2)Radeon 9600 pro 400Mhz core (Radeon 9800 pro 380Mhz core)
3)Radeon 9600 pro 300Mhz DDRI memory (Radeon 9800 pro 340Mhz DDRI memory )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 4 pixel processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 8 pixel processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 4 texel processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 8 texel processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro 2 vertex processing units (Radeon 9800 pro 4 vertex processing units )
4)Radeon 9600 pro hyper-ZIII* engine (Radeon 9800 pro superior hyper-ZIII+* engine)
4)Radeon 9600 pro no F-buffer optimization (Radeon 9600 pro no F-buffer optimization )
*I suspect Anand made a mistake reffering that 9600pro has a superior Hyper-Z engine in relation with R350.The Z-compression on R350 is 24:1 and on the R300 & RV350 is 8:1.The compression ratio of 6:1 that he is mentioning is not on Z-compression but color compression. Also some sites reffering that RV350 will have also the improvements in the hyper-Z engine that R350 has.
About Radeon 9200 most technology sites reffering that it will be exactly the same as 9000 but possibly higher clocked.I think this is correct but other technology sites (SimHQ) reffering that will be: ?DirectX 9.0 compatible with DirectX 8.1 shader level support?,this implies that with exception to pixel &vertex shaders (there is nothing else left) will be DX9 based, also Tom?s hardware mentions Hyper-ZIII but I found many mistakes in his article (also in every Lars article I read).My guess also is that it will be an overclocked 9000.
Radeon 9600 pro 400Mhz core/300Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 199-169$
Radeon 9600 325Mhz core/200Mhz DDRI memory 128MB 169-149$
Radeon 9200 pro 325Mhz ? core/300Mhz ? DDRI memory 128MB 129$?
Radeon 9600 275Mhz ?core/200Mhz ? DDRI memory 128MB 99$?
Radeon 9600 275Mhz ?core/200Mhz ? DDRI memory 64MB 79$?
I think Radeon 9600pro will be faster than the equivalent Nvidia (Geforce FX 5600 ultra) at least 15%.
But Nvidia will have the best product under 100$ and possible the faster (Geforce FX 5200 should be around 10% faster than Radeon 9200 but FX will be DX9 compatible).
Some sites posts preliminary 3Dmark 2003 scores of FX5600 & Fx5200 suggesting vast differencies that lead to speculation that FX5200 will have 1 vertex processing unit instead of 2 (5600) and 3 (5800)
In any case all will be clear in the next few weeks.
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