NVIDIA Asks Retailers To Stop Selling To Miners & Sell To Gamers Instead,(wccf)

[happy medium]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/
“For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers’ needs as usual. “


Good for Nvidia.

 

[Paratus]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/

Good for Nvidia.

It’s a nice feel good thing. But as it’s voluntary, count me as skeptical that it will accomplish anything.

Although I did like the pic from one store that had a mid range card priced as follows.

• 1 card $249.99
• 2nd card $10,000.00

 

[UsandThem]

It’s a nice feel good thing. But as it’s voluntary, count me as skeptical that it will accomplish anything.

Although I did like the pic from one store that had a mid range card priced as follows.

• 1 card $249.99
• 2nd card $10,000.00

I hope those gamers don't want to SLI their cards then.

Plus, it's not just miners causing all the problems. Some retailers are doing their part as well:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487380&ignorebbr=1

$1229.99 + $4.99 shipping

 

[urvile]

https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_1875/graphics-cards/geforce-gtx-1080-ti

 

[24601]

It's going to be entertaining to watch how mad the retailers will be when Nvidia opens web-shops in all regions and stops shipping cards to retailers.

Nvidia found the perfect opportunity to cut out another middle-man.

Perfectly executed.

 

[Elixer]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/

Good for Nvidia.

You think that "story" is true?
Let's be honest here, Nvidia (or AMD for that matter) don't really care who buys it, as long as they are selling it to someone.

There is no possible way to stop miners without having custom firmware that looks for mining patterns that would stop the mining programs, which can easily be done, yet, they don't do this, since they love selling cards.

Micro Center has been doing the 3rd card is $10,000 for >6 months now, as if that is gonna stop miners from paying people to pick up 2 at a time, they are STILL mostly out of stock.

Nvidia already sells specific cards by themselves via their site, if they do this for their whole line, all their AIB's will be pretty pissed off.
Right now, the whales are bypassing the retailers, and ordering directly from the AIBs, which is how they can get drop shipments. AIBs LOVE that, more $$$ for them.
Retailers will get small batches, and that is about it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that the title of this thread needs some work. It's not that NV doesn't want to sell to miners *at all*, just that they're requesting that retailers set qty limits, so that gamers get more-or-less equal chance to purchase cards as miners.

Which, AFAIK, Newegg has already been doing, for all of their mining-capable video cards, whether NV or AMD-powered.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Plus, it's not just miners causing all the problems. Some retailers are doing their part as well:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487380&ignorebbr=1

$1229.99 + $4.99 shipping

OOS!

 

[UsandThem]

OOS!

That's crazy. It was in stock when I posted it. Do people not know they can get a Titan XP directly from Nvidia for less money than that?

Also, the title of this thread is the title of the Wccftech article. That site really goes for the sensational titles........

 

[Carfax83]

Do people not know they can get a Titan XP directly from Nvidia for less money than that?....

Probably depends on where they're from. Newegg doesn't charge taxes for out of state purchases, but NVidia does add state taxes to your purchase. My Titan Xp I think was almost 1400 after taxes were added on.

And a highly overclocked aftermarket card like the one you linked to will be more or less equal in performance with a Titan Xp.

 

[tamz_msc]

Probably depends on where they're from. Newegg doesn't charge taxes for out of state purchases, but NVidia does add state taxes to your purchase. My Titan Xp I think was almost 1400 after taxes were added on.

And a highly overclocked aftermarket card like the one you linked to will be more or less equal in performance with a Titan Xp.

1400 after taxes? Wow. Here in India I have to pay 1536$ inclusive of taxes plus free shipping. We complain about hardware prices all the time but the markup for the Titan Xp isn't so bad after all.

 

[UsandThem]

Probably depends on where they're from. Newegg doesn't charge taxes for out of state purchases, but NVidia does add state taxes to your purchase. My Titan Xp I think was almost 1400 after taxes were added on.

And a highly overclocked aftermarket card like the one you linked to will be more or less equal in performance with a Titan Xp.

I guess if you live in a high tax state like California. Even factoring in state taxes for NC, the Titan XP is still less.

Even though the performance difference isn't huge, a person right now is paying way over MSRP for 1080ti cards, while the Titan XP is at (or even lower for the Star Wars version of the cards).

But I guess if people wouldn't pay it, retailers wouldn't charge it.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Let's be honest here, Nvidia (or AMD for that matter) don't really care who buys it, as long as they are selling it to someone.

Once the mining hype dies down agian it's better to have the biggest marketshare with gamers. That way developers will target and optimize for your hardware, which means your cards then perform better and sell better.

 

[PeterScott]

You think that "story" is true?
Let's be honest here, Nvidia (or AMD for that matter) don't really care who buys it, as long as they are selling it to someone.

There is no possible way to stop miners without having custom firmware that looks for mining patterns that would stop the mining programs, which can easily be done, yet, they don't do this, since they love selling cards.

Micro Center has been doing the 3rd card is $10,000 for >6 months now, as if that is gonna stop miners from paying people to pick up 2 at a time, they are STILL mostly out of stock.

Nvidia already sells specific cards by themselves via their site, if they do this for their whole line, all their AIB's will be pretty pissed off.
Right now, the whales are bypassing the retailers, and ordering directly from the AIBs, which is how they can get drop shipments. AIBs LOVE that, more $$$ for them.
Retailers will get small batches, and that is about it.

I have no doubt the story is true, but it is more a vague generic PR statement, than any kind of order. Here is the translated statement from the story:

“For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers’ needs as usual. “

That is just a wishy-washy statement that they like gamers, and would like their partners to meet the needs of gamers, as usual...

IOW, nothing of substance was said.

 

[nurturedhate]

I have no doubt the story is true, but it is more a vague generic PR statement, than any kind of order. Here is the translated statement from the story:

“For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers’ needs as usual. “

That is just a wishy-washy statement that they like gamers, and would like their partners to meet the needs of gamers, as usual...

IOW, nothing of substance was said.

Yep. Also that wccf headline is clickbait hence this thread title is clickbait. Neither accurately reflect the statement from Nvidia. Nor is the thread title properly labeled with its source of wccftech...

 

[Krteq]

nvm, thread title was edited

 

[jel01790]

Not getting my hopes up tbh..

 

[sao123]

why doenst nvidia just disable mining in the driver?
Then force the miners to buy the compute class cards for 2999.

 

[24601]

why doenst nvidia just disable mining in the driver?
Then force the miners to buy the compute class cards for 2999.

Most companies would rather not have a fight (waste legal fees) with consumer rights legal battles.

And before you trot out "muh datacenter". Datacenters aren't "unsophisticated/uninformed consumers"

The legal system is a popularity contest for big publicized consumer level cases (unless you are Apple or Google or something like that, that owns/controls/makes public opinion).

 

[bob4432]

I think that the title of this thread needs some work. It's not that NV doesn't want to sell to miners *at all*, just that they're requesting that retailers set qty limits, so that gamers get more-or-less equal chance to purchase cards as miners.

Which, AFAIK, Newegg has already been doing, for all of their mining-capable video cards, whether NV or AMD-powered.

Newegg has no problem selling on eBay for the higher eBay prices, with no limits, as well as Sapphire, XFX and probably the others as well.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Newegg has no problem selling on eBay for the higher eBay prices, with no limits, as well as Sapphire, XFX and probably the others as well.

I can tell you now, as a long-time buyer of many things from Newegg on ebay, that that statement is false. Every single popular or heavily-discounted product (Memory kits, GPUs, SSDs, etc.) has a customer limit advertised, of which Newegg states that orders above that qty limit will be cancelled.

 

[bob4432]

I can tell you now, as a long-time buyer of many things from Newegg on ebay, that that statement is false. Every single popular or heavily-discounted product (Memory kits, GPUs, SSDs, etc.) has a customer limit advertised, of which Newegg states that orders above that qty limit will be cancelled.

Must have been the other manfs then, but Newegg is definitely taking advantage of the current situation w/ their eBay store.

 

[24601]

No need for wild speculation.

The main problem is simple, miners buying large order quantities of AIB produced GPUs directly from Nvidia's AIB partners.

(The whole 747 loads of GPUs "directly from the factory" issue).

The fix is simple, if Nvidia has the wherewithal for it.

Lower allocations of GPUs to AIB partners until mining craze subsides.

Establish direct selling web-stores for Nvidia GPUs in regions other than the US.

Allocate the majority of GPUs to their first party web-stores.

It's the only viable solution to the problem (and a great way to cut out the middle-men to increase profits as well).

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AMD cards suck for anything other than mining, so they (AMD) have no choice but to cater directly to miners anyways (and hope the mining craze lasts long enough for AMD to "gracefully" finish the wind down of their GPU division).

 

[VirtualLarry]

No need for wild speculation.

The main problem is simple, miners buying large order quantities of AIB produced GPUs directly from Nvidia's AIB partners.

(The whole 747 loads of GPUs "directly from the factory" issue).

The fix is simple, if Nvidia has the wherewithal for it.

Lower allocations of GPUs to AIB partners until mining craze subsides.

Establish direct selling web-stores for Nvidia GPUs in regions other than the US.

Allocate the majority of GPUs to their first party web-stores.

It's the only viable solution to the problem (and a great way to cut out the middle-men to increase profits as well).

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AMD cards suck for anything other than mining, so they (AMD) have no choice but to cater directly to miners anyways (and hope the mining craze lasts long enough for AMD to "gracefully" finish the wind down of their GPU division).

You do realize, that 3DFX, former PC graphics-card power-house, followed nearly exactly that script, and subsequently, sales tanked, and they had to file for Chap. 11, and were scooped up by NVidia for pennies on the dollar. Or didn't you know where the term "SLI" came from? (NVidia bought it from 3DFX, who invented it.)

 

[PeterScott]

You do realize, that 3DFX, former PC graphics-card power-house, followed nearly exactly that script, and subsequently, sales tanked, and they had to file for Chap. 11, and were scooped up by NVidia for pennies on the dollar. Or didn't you know where the term "SLI" came from? (NVidia bought it from 3DFX, who invented it.)

3DFX failed because their Chips fell behind NVidia and ATI. It really had nothing to with building and selling their own boards.