Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: squidman
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: Harabecw
But do we really care?
We've seen the 1465129348159478534978154897152489 posts about cheat this, cheat that, that have nothing to do with real game performance. I'm sure those who bought Rad 9700's, Rad 9800's are happy as well as those who ordered the FX5900 will be happy.
Post here if you have a FX/R3xx card and you think it simply runs great with AA/AF in your games.
here's my analogy. 1999 ford came out with the 99cobra with stated horsepower being something like 320. chevy came out with the 99camaro with horsepower being 310-320. but under real world performance, the cobra comes nothing close to having a 10-15% drivetrain loss when its tested on the dyno while the camaro on the other hand is actually slightly underrated at 310. joe schmoe see's the hp numbers on both camaro and cobra, buys the cobra expecting it to be on par with the camaro, does a couple of street races and track races with the camaro and falls far short on being equal. joe schmoe feels deceived by ford.
my point is, most everyone is not computer literate when they buy a computer. the only thing they might know about is 3dmark, they see the score and have some sort of expectation on how it should perform, but in real life it does not.
most AT'ers here and other computer literate folks won't personally care about what scores you get with 3dmark what with the cheating going on. but what about the rest of the 95% that don't know sh!t?? nvidia is not hurting by this, check their stock prices before and after.
Ah.....here we see what is called a "legit" cheat. Giving real (but unimportant) numbers instead of real ones. There are 2 of giving measure of cars horsepower: the net power output, and the "brute" power outpu. The "brute" is what u always hear in the commercial "we build a car to give 300+ horsepower". Tru. An engine without transmission shall provide that. But then comes the net power. Its the power that actua;;y is being recieved by the wheels. 15% loss is usual. Example. I rmember a Mitsubishi SUV sommercial while i was in US. 200 horses they said. but russians measure power in NET units, so i wasnt surprised at all to see that that SUV was only capable to give 150-160 horses when i read about it in magazine. Americans like big numbers, and car companies give em. Measure in kilowatts, please.
Also, remeber the audio power units for that matter! Isnt audio equipment cheating heaven? Sony XPLOD amp that i got for my car says "750 Watt Power". I thought: wow, kcickass! In truth - it was the PEAK power. The constant, however was about 100x2 RMS. 200 watt as opposed to 750??! Which one is more appealing for the customer?
So what im saying, is that whole market is built on cheating us into buying something. It becomes exceptionally noticeable once u travel round the world (and here i give hte props to Swedes: their commercials recieve Squidmans "Real talk" award
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i think its slightly different the way you compare watt power for speakers to car's HP ratings.
🙂 when they state 750 wattpower, is that not true?? sure its true that its not constant power, but did they say 750 watt constant power??? no. but that is exactly what ford, and nvidia is saying. i don't know exaclty how much the 99cobra dynoed, but if it was far from the "usual" 15% drivetrain loss, how can they state the cobra having 320+ HP?? its straight out lie, just like nvidia with their futuremark score, its a cheat. your analogy about sony's amps, while underhanded in their approach, never did they flat out lie in their advertisement.
edit ==> trying not to go off tangent so just want to state again that people felt cheated from what ford said about power output of cobra, and computer illiterate folks will be cheated by judging their basis on 3dmark scores. again, from the original posts, who cares if they cheated as long as they didn't fubar up real world performance, be we are the minority. the whole population isn't made of computer geeks, remember that.
